Yeah, none of that is unique to Gen Z.
Starfleet Academy & Robert Picardo: I have a theory...
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perhaps not unique, but It has become the standard that they are used to and expect...subtlety, irony, dramatic space are concepts that are alien to gen z, because of the programming that is presented to them in this manner...sure there are outliers but put on just about any series (not even Sci - Fi) on any of the streaming platforms and you will notice these trends and techniques.
Sounds very old man yelling at clouds to me.
yeah that's the typical, easy response that most have, but it's the reality.
What? I watch a fair amount of streaming programs, Doesn't seem to be a wide spread "problem".
Not in my experience either. Exposition and need of plot are all in Trek since TOS.
If that's the criteria we're using, than Starfleet Academy is going to be very "Gen Z" as you put it.
agreed which i probably why it won't watch it.
I would love to see the reactions of some Gen Z to movies like Blade Runner (the original), Contact, and 2001....They are not used to content presented in that manner, honestly speaking would love to know/see their reactions. Would they enjoy it? or would they not "get it"
I'm sure there are YouTube channels with such content.
There are. They usually enjoy it.
which begs the question, why is stuff for their demographic (typically) so dumbed down? As George Lucas once said: the audience 'gets' it, that should apply to that demographic as well.
again I'm speaking from a personal perspective but I can't stand that (most) modern shows have way too much dialog, seemingly every space is filled with dialog and nothing "breathes"
again I'm speaking from a personal perspective but I can't stand that (most) modern shows have way too much dialog, seemingly every space is filled with dialog and nothing "breathes"
Dialog is bad????
Gen Z is the generation that grew up with Harry Potter.
Anecdotal evidence time: My Goddaughter is twentysix. So the older end of Gen Z. She's into shows like Andor and Severance. Both highly regarded as I understand it. Not necessarily "dialog heavy" shows. The later is known for striking visuals. No idea what the younger end of the cohort are into.
What would be examples of the dumbed down stuffed aimed at this group?
Because they're not writing it.
Writers a lot of times worry their audience won't get it, and executives will say to try and broaden it out. It's funny you mention Lucas because famously Ford told him, "You can write this stuff but you can't speak it." A lot of initial dialog in Star Wars drafts is very stilted and expository.
I wouldn't be so quick to blame just the generation. They value authenticity in their art, not just nuance, not just subtlety, not clever word play.
excessive dialog
why i qualified with the word "most", I can't give you specific titles (but almost anything on Netflix) because they don't hold my interest long enough to care about the titles.
My GF likes to watch these series and 99% of the time I can tell exactly what is going to happen and they just don't hold MY interest because of the excessive verbosity, which to me makes them forgettable and unwatchable...probably why I gravitate towards documentaries these days!!!
Excessive exposition would be what I consider an example of "dumbing down"...
you raise a good point, that those who DON'T know (Executives, Producers, Corporate Shills) meddle in the affairs of those who DO know (Writers, Directors)...when this happens, the results are always disappointing.
There was a great movie that came out in 1989 called 'The Big Picture' starring Kevin Bacon, who plays a writer/director who wrote a screenplay about a group of middle aged friends who meet in a cabin in the woods in Winter to discuss life etc...(like the Big Chill)
basically in order to finance his movie, the director has to accept compromises made by execs and producers who think they know better:
change it to 20 somethings instead of 40 somethings
change it to summer from winter
make it a beach house instead of a cabin in the woods
add more humor...etc...
my guess is that this goes on A LOT in the industry...People who think they know better than the creative forces who are creating the content.
I've watched a fair amount of programming on Netflix (and other streamers) can't say I've noticed this problem.
And I have to say, this is first time I've seen an excess of dialog equated with being dumbed down.
glad to oblige!I've watched a fair amount of programming on Netflix (and other streamers) can't say I've noticed this problem.
And I have to say, this is first time I've seen an excess of dialog equated with being dumbed down.
excessive exposition = dumbed down,
not excessive dialog, that's a different matter
Still not seeing how it would equal dumbing down. It would really depend on what's being said. It can bad writing, but not necessarily dumb.
I guess it comes down to visual exposition which is more artistic and creative vs verbal exposition which tends to be lazy and, well, dumbed down...this is different from, say a preamble as in the intro scene of LoTR....
Well, no. If properly handled if can help us get into the story. I still like to see examples of this "dumbing down." Most of the shows I watch don't seem to do this.
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