If it's their job to know they'd probably remember at least a third. Likely they would need to know those ships associated with their fleet command.
And if they wanted ship names they could always use ball caps.
Will the uniforms change?
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And if they wanted ship names they could always use ball caps.
Of course you can make people remember a bunch of insignia but that's so unnecessarily complicated, if you think it's important to let the uniform tell anyone which ship an officer serves on why would you come up with an entirely new system using random insignia instead of the much easier latin alphabet that you already use on the ship's hull, the dedication plague etc.
And because the insignia are not used in everyday communication the officers would have to keep refreshing their memories, looking at lists probably taking tests to be sure they remembered them correctly. That#s a complete waste of time and resources.
I mean...random* insignia defines modern militaries so I fail to see the issue.
*Not actually random.
I had figured it was the fleet the ships were attached to. Not outside the realm of possible the Enterprise, Constellation and Defiant were attached to different fleets.
Where's the fun without little inconsistencies we can nitpick over and try and rationalise or convince others to outright ignore?
Kirk’s old buddies in Court Martial wore the Delta.All due great respect to Mr. Justman, but I disagree with his wishes here. I really enjoyed the different starship insignia. Without other identifying patches, there's no other way to know what ship someone is from and in the fleet, that would be a help if you meet at port somewhere.
"Hey, you're from the Exeter? Did you know Lt. Lipschitz?"
The only time after that we saw another starship was The Tholian Web and you can see the insignia on one redshirt in sickbay. Barely. Most of the other shots have them hidden. So they half-heartedly followed Justman's directive.
Only Starbase personnel wore a different insignia. But not all of them.
Back for ENT S4, they borrowed Sulu's 'telescopic' Targeting Scanner prop for In A Mirror Darkly.
and then they didn't return it, if I remember correctly.
Well, that's a change.Kirk’s old buddies in Court Martial wore the Delta.
Only Starbase personnel wore a different insignia. But not all of them.
Oh sure, it was inconsistent as all heck. The change took place in season 2, but I preferred it. The other designs were interesting to see.Kirk’s old buddies in Court Martial wore the Delta.
Only Starbase personnel wore a different insignia. But not all of them.
It’s very expensive changing the uniforms and it seems they had to struggle just to get a few season five episodes commissioned.
The uniform change in TNG was because the cast were developing health problems from the season one/two uniforms! Plus, they allegedly stank! The original TOS uniforms kept shrinking in the wash if I recall so they had to change the fabric. DS9 is a strange one; they technically didn’t NEED to change to the First Contact uniforms (after all, the station originally used different uniforms from TNG). I guess Berman and co just wanted some uniformity…if you’ll pardon the pun.
So I don’t see them changing SNW uniforms. No reason. I think we’re meant to see them as the same as the TOS style.
The uniform change in TNG was because the cast were developing health problems from the season one/two uniforms! Plus, they allegedly stank! The original TOS uniforms kept shrinking in the wash if I recall so they had to change the fabric. DS9 is a strange one; they technically didn’t NEED to change to the First Contact uniforms (after all, the station originally used different uniforms from TNG). I guess Berman and co just wanted some uniformity…if you’ll pardon the pun.
So I don’t see them changing SNW uniforms. No reason. I think we’re meant to see them as the same as the TOS style.
Sharing the same uniforms between DS9 and Voyager was an impractical situation, so when the FC uniforms were made, the decision was made for DS9 to wear those and Voyager to keep their uniforms so that both shows could have their own uniforms and not have to share anymore, which apparently was becoming a very serious issue. In one rumored example, they had to delay filming a scene on one show, just so they could wait for the other to finish filming a scene and thus make the uniforms available.
Source for the rumor?
All the main cast of both shows has their own tailored uniforms, so the only way I can imagine that story could be true is if one of the shows needed more background uniforms than usual.
The DS9 Companion, when talking about the uniform switchover in Rapture, made mention to the old uniforms being sent over to Voyager "where they were desperately needed." The rest might just be others embellishing that remark.
Generations did borrow DS9 main cast member uniforms instead of making their own but I can't see why the shows would do the same.
I agree with Tosk that that is probably referring to background extras so they could have more crew members in the mess hall scenes or engineering. Although the cost in making all the lavendar uniforms kind of makes it redundant like why not just make more of the DS9 uniforms?
That remark seems a bit embellished itself. I'm sure Voyager appreciated an influx of new costumes for background actors but "desperately needed" makes it sound like they were in danger of not being able to dress people anymore which I find hard to believe.
Because pooling some resources makes sense, they probably figured DS9 wouldn't need that many starfleet uniforms because half of the cast isn't even starfleet and they could always fill the background with more civilians or bajoran militia if necessary and Voyager having a much smaller crew than the Enterprise D wouldn't feature big numbers of starfleet officers all the time either. So I can see why they decided ti share uniforms when the Generations uniforms that were supposed tk be inherited by Voyager were abandoned.
The lavender uniforms were paid for with the First Contact budget, DS9 probably only had to make new uniforms for Sisko, Dax, Bashir and O'Brien (Worf got his from FC too), the rest were freebies. So DS9 got all of the First Contact uniforms and Voyager got all of the DS9 uniforms, it was a win for both shows, had they made new DS9/Voyager uniforms the money for that would have come out their budgets.
Remembering 12 starships wouldn't be so hard.
In his autobiography, Stewart claims that he over exaggerated his “back problems” in order to convince the producers to give them better fitting costumes.
As for SNW…I could see them making the exterior of the Discoprise look a bit more like the Enterprise. But a uniform and interior set change…doubt it.
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Nothing will change. Even if they do a Kirk series. They will not have the extra money. Even this season the space effects were limited and lackluster. They just dont have the money.
They have before! "Trials and Tribble-ations" for one. Although they were set pieces moved to the official sets.
And Relics before that, if I'm not mistaken.
Bjo Trimble's "Star Trek: Concordance" had illustrations for many. Also "Memory Alpha".
Oh, and thanks to "Star Trek: Picard", my insignia design for the USS Hood is... canon.
Me as Therin of Andor meeting me as Grol of Tellar by Ian McLean, on Flickr
USS Hood insignia badge by Ian McLean, on Flickr
Therin and Grol on the bar room wall. With Jack Crusher Jr. by Ian McLean, on Flickr
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