Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

[Christopher]

I think this was one among several reasons I never found Cain very convincing in the guise of Superman (though I thought he was a great Clark). Though to be fair, Christopher Reeve’s voice was not particularly deep either.

I know, but Reeve's voice didn't have the same back-of-the-throat quality as Cain's, so it sounded more middle-of-the road, if you'll pardon the mixed spatial-orientation metaphor. Now, if Cain had had the voice training to move his voice further forward and make it less nasal and reedy, as I eventually learned to do in order to come closer to my father's rich radio-announcer baritone, he could've differentiated Clark and Superman pretty well.

I did not like the idea of referencing it in the movie when I first heard about it — it seems to me ploddingly literal-minded to think the glasses trope needs to be “explained” — but the way that Gunn used it, basically as a throwaway gag, worked just fine for me.

I feel it would be a better gag if it had just been Guy's conspiracy theory. But that's okay, because I can just geek out about the gorgeous Union Terminal atrium around him. Art Deco meets monumental architecture!

 

[Guy Gardener]

And Clark wasn't some douchebag who decided to play a sick mindgame with her by deliberately doing such a thing.

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[JD]

Kara is younger than Kal-El, who was an infant when the planet blew up? So are we reverting to the classic origin where Argo City survived on an intact chunk of Krypton?

Yeah, Gunn said that was part of her backstory in an interview I read right after the movie started playing in theaters.

The specific comic next years movie is based on Supergirl : Woman of Tomorrow has flashbacks to her on Argo City in space. It’s a major part of her character and motivations in that. Kara and her father on Argo when everyone is slowly dying around them from Kryptonite poisoning. If my memory is correct as the flashbacks start her mother has already died.

I am glad they are going back to this because all other revisions are very contrived. We do not know in these movies how long she has been on Earth since escaping Argo. But at her age it would still be fresh memories. Which explains her reckless behavior as trying to deal with the trauma. Clark has none of those memories.

Yeah, it does sound like this it the backstory they're using for this version of Kara. He didn't go into a ton of detail, but Gunn said that Argo City survived on it's own after the rest of Krypton's destruction, and thing quickly went to hell. Growing up in that enviroment left Kara with a lot of trauma that she's now dealing with, or not dealing with, but drinking and partying all the time.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Yep. Which is some serious bullshit.

Total agreement. Normally I do not like movies being bootleged but someone should release that commentary as an audio file. We could listen to it with other versions.

 

[theenglish]

Total agreement. Normally I do not like movies being bootleged but someone should release that commentary as an audio file. We could listen to it with other versions.

What ever happened to including access to the digital version with a Blu Ray or DVD purchase?

 

[Firebird]

Apparently the audio commentary is only going to be in the digital release of the movie :/

The special feature release strategy for this makes no sense to me. Commentary tracks are always on the disc while the studios generally lock the documentary material or deleted scenes to digital only, but WHV is doing it backasswards...

 

[The Realist]

What ever happened to including access to the digital version with a Blu Ray or DVD purchase?

They still do that, and in fact the Superman Blu includes such access. To me, that’s really neither here nor there with regard to including the commentary on the physical release itself. It should be there.

 

[theenglish]

They still do that, and in fact the Superman Blu includes such access. To me, that’s really neither here nor there with regard to including the commentary on the physical release itself. It should be there.

It doesn't take that much space to add an audio track--I agree. Looks like I'll be getting the bluray. One thing I don't know about those digital releases. Are they still locked to a company software? I have a few DVDs in which I can't play the digital version any longer.

 

[The Realist]

Somebody else will have to answer that question. I never fool with the digital versions at all.

It doesn't take that much space to add an audio track--I agree.

It is absolutely not about disc space. Studios want to drive as many consumers as they can to digital, because to them it’s like money for nothing. That’s why they put extra goodies on there, deliberately screwing over fans of physical media in the interest of promoting digital delivery instead.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Kara is younger than Kal-El, who was an infant when the planet blew up? So are we reverting to the classic origin where Argo City survived on an intact chunk of Krypton?

Stay tuned.

 

[Samurai8472]

So Gunn has put up an interesting tease via a photo of the MoT script.

James Gunn (@jamesgunn.bsky.social)

😈🤝😇 #MoT 7.9.27

bsky.app

It's gotta be Kltpzyxm

 

[Commander Troi]

Rewatched the movie last night. So damn good. It holds together well. And I adore Rachel as Lois.

 

[Tosk]

Not only is the commentary not on the physical release, but the digital release also includes a gag reel and three deleted scenes that got left off the disc versions.

 

[The Realist]

Not only is the commentary not on the physical release, but the digital release also includes a gag reel and three deleted scenes that got left off the disc versions.

Yep. Bastards.

 

[Aragorn]

Not only is the commentary not on the physical release, but the digital release also includes a gag reel and three deleted scenes that got left off the disc versions.

Once everyone has bought all the movies individually, they'll release a complete box set with those extras.

 

[The Realist]

So something came up elsewhere that bothers me a bit. In the scene toward the end of the film where Maxwell Lord is seen on a news report talking about Lex Luthor, the crawl underneath says, in part, “Daily Planet shows Luthor was behind the false images of Superman’s parents’ message ….”

Except the message wasn’t false. The film establishes this clearly, and Gunn has directly confirmed it was real in interviews. I am not even a little comfortable with the idea that the Planet would misreport this, whether carelessly or out of some desire to dishonestly clean up public perception of Superman.

It may be notable that the crawl is not from the Planet’s reporting directly, but is a TV news segment from an outlet called “Metropolis Today 8.” It’s possible the crawl doesn’t accurately reflect the Planet’s story, and is imposing assumptions on it. It wouldn’t be surprising if the general public and the less rigorous press went with the idea that Jor-El and Lara’s message was faked after the reveal of Luthor’s other crimes and machinations.

For my own comfort, I think I’m going to go with that handwave. I’m pretty committed to the Planet’s status as a paper of quality and integrity. But I thought I’d throw this out for other thoughts.

 

[The Nightmare Doctor]

Considering it's a bit of text that appears in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, I think it's quite safe to go with that handwave. 99% of all viewers are going to miss it on the first go and only eagle-eyed viewers who watch the film repeatedly would ever notice it.

As for why it happened in the real world, maybe Gunn intended for that handwave. However, I think it's much more likelier that someone in the graphics department put it in there without realizing the full implications or they were working off an old draft, and Gunn simply didn't notice it during the editing process.

 

[Christopher]

It may be notable that the crawl is not from the Planet’s reporting directly, but is a TV news segment from an outlet called “Metropolis Today 8.” It’s possible the crawl doesn’t accurately reflect the Planet’s story, and is imposing assumptions on it. It wouldn’t be surprising if the general public and the less rigorous press went with the idea that Jor-El and Lara’s message was faked after the reveal of Luthor’s other crimes and machinations.

For my own comfort, I think I’m going to go with that handwave. I’m pretty committed to the Planet’s status as a paper of quality and integrity. But I thought I’d throw this out for other thoughts.

No, I'm with you on this. TV news in this day and age can rarely be trusted to get its facts straight or perform due diligence. And there's just the general "game of telephone" principle, that every retelling of a story risks introducing new errors, so a second- or thirdhand iteration of a news story is more likely to be erroneous than the original report.

 

[Tosk]

I’m pretty committed to the Planet’s status as a paper of quality and integrity.

Except when Warfield buys it.

 

[Danja]

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Superman (2025) done in the style of the 1978 opening credits.