I do think the SNW v-necks changed slightly between seasons one and two, or perhaps they switched the black undershirts to ones that came up higher on the neck. You can definitely see more of the black from S2-onward.
Will the uniforms change?
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What I'd like to see is another ship with a different badge. We saw the outpost 4 badge but it would be nice to see another since we know that was part of the 23rd century aesthetic and maybe some explanation for it like each different fleet uses a different insignia or something.
Im okay with it being a pin and not a patch that's an insignificant difference and it still wouldnt be a combadge so nothing would happen if Sisko tapped on it either in Trials.
Im okay with it being a pin and not a patch that's an insignificant difference and it still wouldnt be a combadge so nothing would happen if Sisko tapped on it either in Trials.
Back for ENT S4, they borrowed Sulu's 'telescopic' Targeting Scanner prop for In A Mirror Darkly.
The inherent problem with the production making or borrowing TOS sets is that it goes completely against their modus that ‘this is what it always looked like.’ Purposefully ending the show looking like TOS then gives the impression that we now have to take every single change from TOS to SNW (or reverse) completely literally. So that would mean that the ship looked like it did in ‘The Cage,’ then was rebuilt to look like it does in SNW, to then going back to looking like how it did in WNMHGB.
The cut of those early season three redesigns were a bit too stiff and bulky; with shoulder pads that almost made the top look like a football player uniform. Once they got to that final version first for Patrick, then Blackman finally got it right.
They used the TOS uniforms from Star Trek Continues for ENT In a Mirror Darkly.
New Trek is kinda flip flopping on that. The fleet museum in Picard season 3 had the original TOS design, as did Prodigy, then there is that the last time on scene where they use Cage footage.
That's not going to happen, there's literally no way they'll put the cast on 60s looking fan made sets and act like this is what the ship now looks like with the characters marveling at the "upgrade", it would play like a joke. They also hope to do the Kirk spin off, they will NOT do that on TOS sets.
But that was a production mistake back then, there was a memo that all starfleet ships use the arrowhead, only star bases were supposed to have a different one, had we seen another ship after that memo the crew would have worn the arrowhead.
The different insignias have been retconned out of existence anyway, the movies, Discovery and SNW all showed different ships using the arrowhead.
The use of the same shaped pin as the old patch for the commander of outpost 4 would seem to contradict that it was retconned, no?
But uniform inconsistencies are nothing new, I mean the brightly coloured uniforms were said to have been new in Discovery season 2 but the old yeoman and the flashback to Pike as a lieutenant used the SNW uniform (obviously to save money).
The memo in question specifically says the arrowhead is used for starfleet starships. So non starfleet crews (which he points out) and presumably starfleet personnel not serving on ships don't wer the arrowhead. So Discovery showing an outpost commander with a different design does not contradict that.
That note came down in 1967 but didn't they keep using different emblems throughout all three seasons?
No they didn’t. STC was produced in 2013. ENT went off the air in 2005.
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Oh I know all that and agree, I just think after the Picard season 3 Enterprise-D thing, they won't be able to help themselves. Gotta get those online impressions!
Yep certainly The Omega Glory was well after that memo and Tracey wore a different insignia.
EDIT: @Takeru pointed out it was during filming - my mistake, I was off a year.
I can see a change in the uniform for Kirk's Enterprise, maybe to make it a - LITTLE - closer to the TOS aesthetic but nothing crazy. I doubt they'll be going for the "ribbed collared sweatshirts" of the second pilot. Seems like, for the most part, Trek has fully embraced the heavy fabric phased into the TOS era uniforms as Star Trek Beyond did. For the most part. M'Benga gets a sickbay lighter varient and Pike's V Neck seems less bulky.
SNW has a style ni sets and uniforms that I'd prefer they stick with. It's their own look that works as a 60 years later adaptation. Sure is better than the Abrams "little insignias" pattern in the shirts.
Going by the date the memo was have written during the filming of The Omega Glory, I don't think there were any other starfleet ships/crews seen after that, I don't remember a single example from season 3 right now.
Nope, December 18th 1967 was in the middle of filming The Omega Glory according to memory alpha.
Yup, I corrected my post as soon as I saw yours.
Thanks!
I could be mistaken but didn't TAS also use an alternate emblem for the Antares? Although TAS is pretty infamous for its wonky shenanigans.
It is certainly interesting to learn every example in TOS is before that memo and obviously ENT rolled with it using the Defiant emblem presumably just to troll us future people.
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The crew of the survey ship, Ariel, from "Eye of the Beholder" wore the TAS version of the Enterprise delta, although Mandel and Drexler's fanmade U.S.S. ENTERPRISE OFFICER'S MANUAL gave the Ariel insignia a slightly different design.
The Antares crew did not appear in TAS. The Huron crew in "Pirates of Orion" had a different insignia, but that was IIRC a cargo vessel, and their insignia differed from those of the Enterprise crew and from the one worn by Antares captain and first officer who appeared in "Charlie X."
The crew of the survey ship, Ariel, from "Eye of the Beholder" wore the TAS version of the Enterprise delta, although Mandel and Drexler's fanmade U.S.S. ENTERPRISE OFFICER'S MANUAL gave the Ariel insignia a slightly different design.
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