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[FederationHistorian]

Discovery has confirmed that the Fed had zip to do with the Klingons between Enterprise and Disco's Klingon War.

Which we know is a load of crap since Spock’s statement of unremitting hostilities with the Klingons for 70 years in TUC means the Federation has had interactions with Klingons going back to the 2220s – 30 years before Disco.

And considering Burnham was taking about firing phase cannons – ENT-era tech – when they had phasers, and the crew botched their mission to capture T’Kuvma, maybe that crew wasn’t all that bright.

That’s a lot of writing just to confirm that a Romulan War show or film will not be like how anyone has envisioned it in their minds for the last 50 years.

You still have not explained what you mean.

Your argument sound like you are saying it won’t play out to headcanon of viewers, which wildly differ from person to person. That’s assuming the viewers that watch have a headcanon of the Romulan War in the first place. You are discounting the new viewer experience.

As for the fandom, Federation-Klingons wars have played out as expected on DIS and DS9. And did these viewers need every gritty detail to understand the Occupation was bad for Bajorans?

I have no idea as to why you think that any visual depiction of the Romulan War would not meet expectations.

 

[Yistaan]

Which we know is a load of crap since Spock’s statement of unremitting hostilities with the Klingons for 70 years in TUC means the Federation has had interactions with Klingons going back to the 2220s – 30 years before Disco.

And considering Burnham was taking about firing phase cannons – ENT-era tech – when they had phasers, and the crew botched their mission to capture T’Kuvma, maybe that crew wasn’t all that bright.

You still have not explained what you mean.

Your argument sound like you are saying it won’t play out to headcanon of viewers, which wildly differ from person to person. That’s assuming the viewers that watch have a headcanon of the Romulan War in the first place. You are discounting the new viewer experience.

As for the fandom, Federation-Klingons wars have played out as expected on DIS and DS9. And did these viewers need every gritty detail to understand the Occupation was bad for Bajorans?

I have no idea as to why you think that any visual depiction of the Romulan War would not meet expectations.

Disco DID mention the 2245 Battle of Donatu V strangely enough while also indicating that the Fed and the Klingons didn't interact much otherwise. Picard also claimed that "First Contact" with the Klingons was what led to their hostilities, except it's not clear what he meant by that. It wasn't the Enterprise Broken Bow First Contact obviously. Federation First Contact? It's clear even in Discovery that the Klingons contacted the Fed before, albeit sporadically.

So we already had Enterprise, TNG, and TUC giving contradicting info on how things with the Klingons went bad and Discovery, which had a unique opportunity to smooth things out, just added more confusion with new contradictory info.

 

[Dukhat]

You still have not explained what you mean.

I thought it was pretty obvious.

Your argument sound like you are saying it won’t play out to headcanon of viewers, which wildly differ from person to person. That’s assuming the viewers that watch have a headcanon of the Romulan War in the first place. You are discounting the new viewer experience.

As for the fandom, Federation-Klingons wars have played out as expected on DIS and DS9. And did these viewers need every gritty detail to understand the Occupation was bad for Bajorans?

I have no idea as to why you think that any visual depiction of the Romulan War would not meet expectations.

For someone watching Star Trek for the first time, it won’t matter because they will have no context. For a Star Trek fan of 50 years who has a preconceived notion of what the war looked like (which would be 99% of the people watching the movie), they will be disappointed.

But I’m not too concerned, because there’s no way in hell Skydance is going to make a Romulan war movie.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Picard also claimed that "First Contact" with the Klingons was what led to their hostilities, except it's not clear what he meant by that.

Picard is speaking about Vulcan first contact with the Klingons, which Discovery mentioned. Which then leads into the Vulcans wanting to use probes before first contact, which is seen in ENT.

 

[Yistaan]

Picard is speaking about Vulcan first contact with the Klingons, which Discovery mentioned. Which then leads into the Vulcans wanting to use probes before first contact, which is seen in ENT.

ohhhh. So what Picard said was true, from a certain point of view.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Wasn't something like that said in the original series? Starfleet/humans had problems at first contact. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[Dukhat]

Picard is speaking about Vulcan first contact with the Klingons, which Discovery mentioned. Which then leads into the Vulcans wanting to use probes before first contact, which is seen in ENT.

No, he wasn’t. He was referring to the Federation’s first contact with them, which was why the Federation later adopted first contact protocols.

Wasn't something like that said in the original series? Starfleet/humans had problems at first contact. Maybe I am wrong.

It was stated in TUC that the Federation and the Klingons had been enemies for almost 70 years prior to the film, which takes place in 2293. So that would mean that 2223 or thereabouts would be the date when hostilities started between them.

 

[fireproof78]

It wasn't the Enterprise Broken Bow First Contact obviously.

That's why ENTERPRISE is an alternate timeline.

No, he wasn’t. He was referring to the Federation’s first contact with them, which was why the Federation later adopted first contact protocols.

Yup, the meaning was clear from context that a disastrous first contact led to unrelenting hostilities, both hot and cold, between the two powers.

 

[Yistaan]

That's why ENTERPRISE is an alternate timeline.

Not necessarily. I'm not sure that human/klingon first contact automatically equates with Federation/Klingon first contact. In fact, Picard could've been talking about any number of first contact with the Klingons regarding any Fed member worlds or even with the Fed itself as an entity (which didn't exist yet in Enterprise)

 

[Dukhat]

Yup, the meaning was clear from context that a disastrous first contact led to unrelenting hostilities, both hot and cold, between the two powers.

And further context implies that the Klingons were a complete unknown until after the Federation was formed and contact between the two powers happened.

 

[fireproof78]

Not necessarily. I'm not sure that human/klingon first contact automatically equates with Federation/Klingon first contact. In fact, Picard could've been talking about any number of first contact with the Klingons regarding any Fed member worlds or even with the Fed itself as an entity (which didn't exist yet in Enterprise)

From context it seems pretty clear what Picard meant. Enterprise muddied the waters.

 

[Dukhat]

In fact, Picard could've been talking about any number of first contact with the Klingons regarding any Fed member worlds or even with the Fed itself as an entity (which didn't exist yet in Enterprise)

Except that's really not remotely the context in which he is making that statement.

 

[Nerys Myk]

From context it seems pretty clear what Picard meant. Enterprise muddied the waters.

Well you could ask @Mudd who I think wrote the line.

 

[fireproof78]

Well you could ask @Mudd who I think wrote the line.

Wouldn't he muddy it further?

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It could be argued with varying degrees of success that humanity's first contact with the Klingons wasn't exactly smooth and while it didn't lead to war they weren't friends and coming into contact with any Klingon ship in ENT was met with battle stations.

But there is wiggle room, does first contact mean humanity's pre-Federation first contact, another member race or the first interaction after declaring a large region of space belongs to an expanding interstellar alliance (something the Klingon Empire may see as a threat)?

 

[Takeru]

Why are you arguing about this? Star Trek has always contradicted itself, it's not like the writers are working with actual history (and even if they were, period shows about real world history constantly get things wrong too or make changes to simplify things). There will never be a Star Trek timeline that makes perfect sense.

 

[Danja]

period shows about real world history constantly get things wrong too or make changes to simplify things).

Xena messed things up all the time.

 

[Yistaan]

Except that's really not remotely the context in which he is making that statement.

Picard: Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.

On re-read, Picard NEVER says which Fed member had the disastrous contact with Klingons that led to decades of war. Could've been the Andorians or Tellarites. He never said it was Earth (the Vulcan Hello's memory alpha page doesn't seem to match what Picard describes here either)

 

[Dukhat]

Picard: Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact. It was a controversial decision. I believe it prevented more problems than it created.

On re-read, Picard NEVER says which Fed member had the disastrous contact with Klingons that led to decades of war. Could've been the Andorians or Tellarites. He never said it was Earth (the Vulcan Hello's memory alpha page doesn't seem to match what Picard describes here either)

The context of his statement coincides with his first contact mission in the episode, sanctioned by the Federation. The ‘we’ in his statement clearly refers to the Federation, because that’s what he’s representing.

 

[AntonyF]

Of course there will be. Everyone and everything has to be connected nowadays. Fucking annoying as shit, but there we are.

I keep saying this. I hate how they keep retreading, that they can't write new people or new content. And I've seen how they fucking torpedoed my childhood with the abomination that was Picard.

Yet there's part of me that's interested in seeing Bakula in this format.



I'll never learn.