Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

[TREK_GOD_1]

So you can't actually counter any of the stuff proven about how Greta and Nolan deliberately made sure the "Wait till streaming" thing couldn't affect their movies and continue with this "Folks actually care who the director is" nonsense. And you ignore the very real fact that the backlash over Brokeback Mountain was the only reason Ledger didn't get the award then and the Academy realized if they didn't award the Dark Knight they'd never be able to. Otherwise they'd never have given Dark Knight a glance.

^ Yep. You're doing all of the work on yourself with your homophobic conspiracy theories and irrational hatred of great DC movies.

Honestly, after years of their arrogance its fun to watch these vapid Marvel fanatics just completely self destruct.

Indeed, but the self-destruction began many years ago anytime so much as a positive word was directed at DC films (or any won Oscars), and now, the biggest MCU fan has twisted himself into knots with completely unsupported claims about the industry, all to protect a troubled Marvel Studios. See today's Variety article for more about that.

Anyways, got Superman 2025 on digital and enjoyed it greatly from the comfort of my living room. Can't wait to see where this all goes next. I'm hoping we finally see a live action version of Braniac in Supergirl or somewhere down the line with the Super films. We've seen Lex Luthor enough.

Agreed about Luthor. The Superman and Lois series arguably took the character in as unique a direction as any adaptation ever attempted, and it was a great success. The Eisenberg "tech bro" version was also a fantastic version, very much relevant to that type who influence so much of the real world, but there's not much more one can do with Luthor--certainly not as fresh as the aforementioned versions.

I too would like to see a live action Brainiac as fully realized as the animated versions from the long gone "Timmverse" DC cartoons. Capturing even 50% of that Brainiac characterization would floor audiences, especially those new to the villain.

 

[Anwar]

^ Yep. You're doing all of the work on yourself.


Indeed, but the self-destruction began many years ago anytime so much as a positive word was directed at DC films (or any won Oscars), and now, the biggest MCU fan has twisted himself into knots with completely unsupported claims about the industry, all to protect a troubled Marvel Studios. See today's Variety article for more about that.


Agreed about Luthor. The Superman and Lois series arguably took the character in as unique a direction as any adaptation ever attempted, and it was a great success. The Eisenberg "tech bro" version was also a fantastic version, very much relevant to that type who influence so much of the real world, but there's not much more one can do with Luthor--certainly not as fresh as the aforementioned versions.

I too would like to see a live action Brainiac as fully realized as the animated versions from the long gone "Timmverse" DC cartoons. Capturing even 50% of that Brainiac characterization would floor audiences, especially those new to the villain.

It's hardly just me, plenty feel that if Ledger hadn't died he wouldn't have been awarded for that role.

Oh, but all the stuff we had to take from FoX-Men fans and Nolanites was A-Okay?

 

[Kai "the spy"]

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's like being stuck in a time loop.

 

[JD]

I'm really getting a sense of deju vu here, it's like this has all happened before over, and over, and over again.

 

[Firebird]

"Talks Much, Says Nothing" - The TrekBBS Story

 

[DarrenTR1970]

It's hardly just me, plenty feel that if Ledger hadn't died he wouldn't have been awarded for that role.

Oh, but all the stuff we had to take from FoX-Men fans and Nolanites was A-Okay?

Yeah. If Ledger hadn't died, Downey would have walked away with that award. It was a far better performance than Ledger's Joker. Downey's award for Oppenheimer was the make up award

 

[theenglish]

Lex wants to the world to fear Superman, so he uses his totally obedient clone of Superman to break into the Fortress of Solitude in hopes of finding something to incriminate Superman. With that goal in mind, this is not the most efficient use of a totally obedient clone of Superman.

Spoiler: Response to your post.

He couldn't really use the clone to its full potential because it was broken and semi-mindless. It also didn't look entirely like Superman. So even if he tried to use it to wreak havoc pretending to be Superman, then the plan wouldn't have worked.

 

[theenglish]

Agreed about Luthor. The Superman and Lois series arguably took the character in as unique a direction as any adaptation ever attempted, and it was a great success. The Eisenberg "tech bro" version was also a fantastic version, very much relevant to that type who influence so much of the real world, but there's not much more one can do with Luthor--certainly not as fresh as the aforementioned versions.

I too would like to see a live action Brainiac as fully realized as the animated versions from the long gone "Timmverse" DC cartoons. Capturing even 50% of that Brainiac characterization would floor audiences, especially those new to the villain.

It is damned time we see a great version of Brainiac. The character is Superman's number 2 nemesis and we've never had a decent live on screen version.

As for Luthor, the last few decades (both on screen in Smallville and in the comics) have shown the character works best as a foil for Superman rather than an outright villain. The last attempt to make him a full villain during the lead up to Death Metal was contrived and came out of left field in the comics continuity. (I blame editorial for that.) Luthor works great as a character who is driven by his own ego and his own motivations and desires, but who is not an outright villain. To me, he is a member of Clark/Kal's supporting cast. On screen, I would love to see Houlton return as Lex in that capacity.

 

[The Realist]

It is damned time we see a great version of Brainiac. The character is Superman's number 2 nemesis and we've never had a decent live on screen version.

I thought Krypton did a very nice version. I’m extremely agnostic on the perceived dire need for a big-screen appearance, however.

To me, he is a member of Clark/Kal's supporting cast.

Agreed with this 100 percent. Lex has a valid and welcome place in any Superman adaptation.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Spoiler: Response to your post.

He couldn't really use the clone to its full potential because it was broken and semi-mindless. It also didn't look entirely like Superman. So even if he tried to use it to wreak havoc pretending to be Superman, then the plan wouldn't have worked.

Except he also has all of Superman's powers, which can wreak havoc from afar, at least far enough away to keep his face hidden. Slap a Superman suit on him, and the people wouldn't know the difference.
Hell, even with the close-up in the movie, I didn't notice the prosthetics on Corenswet's face until after they were pointed out to me by James Gunn on the Happy Sad Confused podcast, and I looked out for them at the next viewing. He still clearly had "Superman's" face, so he should have been able to fool people even from a couple of feet away. Put him in a Superman suit, have him fly about fifteen feet in the air in the city and then have him heat vision a skyscraper (preferably the Daily Planet building, from Lex's point of view, or do it in another city or, just to make sure the real Superman doesn't show up), then have him speed out of there, and nobody would have questioned whether it was really Superman or not.
It would have certainly worked at least as well as that message from Superman's parents.

That said, I'm not mad. I still love the movie as it is, I mentioned before that it ranks among my four favorite movies of all time. And, hell, you could maybe even rationalize it with Lex being to narcissistic to consider the easy option, or at least keeping it for a Plan B in case his break-in at the Fortress was a bust.

 

[ichab]

Yeah. If Ledger hadn't died, Downey would have walked away with that award. It was a far better performance than Ledger's Joker. Downey's award for Oppenheimer was the make up award

I'm glad that the Academy didn't give the award to a white man pretending to be black man. Do it right and cast a black actor. There are plenty of good ones out there.

 

[fireproof78]

I must be the only one who hasn't seen either of them. I don't understand the appeal. Then again I haven't been to a movie theater post-Covid and I don't subscribe to any streaming services and I don't have at Smart TV that allows for streaming. I have a blu-ray player that's gathering dust hooked up to my television. I get more enjoyment popping in a CD after work and listening to music.

I haven't either. Superman is probably the first film in over a year to potentially catch my eye. I do a little streaming but rarely and my Smart TV does more with Pluto with the family than films I want to watch.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I haven't either. Superman is probably the first film in over a year to potentially catch my eye. I do a little streaming but rarely and my Smart TV does more with Pluto with the family than films I want to watch.

My Mom and Wink see a lot more movies than I do because they're retired and get senior admissions.
She's seen the majority of Christopher Nolan's films, and when I ask her how they are she usually says (paraphrasing), "I don't know why I keep going to his films. I think he's getting worse as a filmmaker."

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm glad that the Academy didn't give the award to a white man pretending to be black man. Do it right and cast a black actor. There are plenty of good ones out there.

Maybe that was the movie when all the white people finally relized that black face is not cool, and Robert should have been thanked for being so racist that he made the world less racist?

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[JD]

I'm glad that the Academy didn't give the award to a white man pretending to be black man. Do it right and cast a black actor. There are plenty of good ones out there.

The whole point of his role in Tropic Thunder was that it was offensive, and casting an actual black actor would have completely destroyed what they were doing with the character. Now I can see where an argument can easily be made that they never should have done the character at all.
Just to be clear I'm not defending blackface, but it's not really that simple in this case. For those who've never seen Tropic Thunder, RDJ was playing an actor who had surgical procedure done to darken his skin so he could play a black character in the movie the characters were making. So technically he wasn't a white man pretending to be a black man, he was a white man pretending to be a white man who was pretending he was black.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It's hardly just me, plenty feel that if Ledger hadn't died he wouldn't have been awarded for that role.

Oh, but all the stuff we had to take from FoX-Men fans and Nolanites was A-Okay?

Continue to double-down on your homophobic / obsessive DC hate conspiracy theories. Its working wonders for you.

...but you can be anything you want in the Land of Make Believe.

It is damned time we see a great version of Brainiac. The character is Superman's number 2 nemesis and we've never had a decent live on screen version.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's like being stuck in a time loop.

It's like being stuck in a time loop.

 

[JD]

All of this has happened before, and it will happen again.

 

[theenglish]

I'm glad that the Academy didn't give the award to a white man pretending to be black man. Do it right and cast a black actor. There are plenty of good ones out there.

It was kind of the satirical point of the character. The debate over white people playing people of color is a long standing one. I love this clip of James Earl Jones trying to control his anger while he articulates why a white man shouldn't play a black man role is something to watch:

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Maybe that was the movie when all the white people finally relized that black face is not cool, and Robert should have been thanked for being so racist that he made the world less racist?

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I forgot that film even existed. It was cringeworthy when I saw the trailer in the movie theatre.