When was the NX-01 most likely refitted?
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TATV only had a montage shot that was more of a metahorical homage thing, I think (someone earlier in the thread mentioned that a bridge screen apparently depicted the "normal" NX-01 in the episode though)
i never liked the NX refit because it seemed like thay were trying to transform it into a later ship rather than fix it's problems.
Is it worth reminding everyone that Matalas seems to conflate refits and brand new ships?
(So who knows what that NX refit really is?)
While he indeed does have that problem, this particular instance really isn’t about that. The ship we saw at the Museum was clearly based on Doug Drexler’s secondary hull addition to the NX-01, which the ship did not have when it was decommissioned in TATV, based on what we saw onscreen. So the issue isn’t so much ‘is it a refit or not,’ but rather ‘when did this change to the ship take place.’
I should have aimed that comment more specifically, I was thinking of it more in terms of people accepting off-screen "creator statements" as to what the ship is.
Possibly after her retirement, as a proof of concept. Or whenever you want.
IMO it's a fugly upgrade.
IMO it's a fugly upgrade.
Well, there’s no evidence that the secondary hull was not detachable, so some event could have led to it being removed from Enterprise prior to the events of Star Trek Legacy. But, the novels suggest that it takes six months to install the secondary hull onto Enterprise. Meaning any date between mid-July 2155 (six months after the Terra Prime incident) and 2159 is fair game. And the hull could have been reinstalled between 2159 and 2160.
Then either the secondary hull got damaged again and uninstalled once more, and it was not reinstalled again until Enterprise returns home after the war and the Federation Charter was signed. Or it was still there in 2161 and the holoprogram is wrong.
And for all we know, they could have found the Enterprise from “E2” and are using that ship with its advancements instead. Which would make the NX-refit redundant.
Why would the schematic be wrong or outdated? That’s what the ship looked like at the time, because the ‘refit’ didn’t exist yet. Drexler only came up with the idea after ENT ended.
No.
We see an NX class ship in the Museum with the secondary hull, so the refit itself is canon. The question is, was that ship the NX-01? Dave Blass’s secondary sources say yes, but the ship is not referred to as the NX-01 on screen, nor is it seen close up enough to see a name or registry.
Is it ever referred to as an NX class? Because if not it could be a different one.
Ah, I see what you’re saying now. Nothing on the show indicated that it was a different class or not, that’s true. It was only background material provided by Dave Blass (who is not infallible by the way, and doesn’t particularly like being corrected because he apparently has an easily bruised ego) that showed the ship as the original NX-01 Enterprise. The actual CGI model itself was too far away to be able to see any discernible markings.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who has picked up on that.
NX-01 was always intended to be something of a live-test platform, hence is registry prefix, so who,se to say they didn't retire it, do the refit after TATV, test it a few times, and retire it again? There's very little canonical about ships from that era.. 2156 to 2249 when Shenzou is already considered old. We've seen ONE canonical shot of a Daedalus not counting the model on DS9. One thing that seems clear is that starships continued to be made for Starfleet with and without secondary hulls.
The thing is, I'm actually grateful to Blass for the tons of new starship info he provided, and that almost all of the registries make sense from a chronological point of view (other than the Excelsior II; I have no idea why Drexler felt the need to give them registries contemporary to older pre-TNG era Excelsiors.) But he's not perfect, and he made some mistakes. However, unlike past production and art department personnel, he doesn't own those mistakes when they're pointed out to him, or acknowledge that hey, maybe there are long-time fans who actually do know more about the idiosyncrasies of these starships than he does.
Because to recommission it would violate the holy canon that the NCC-1701 was the first Federation starship Enterprise...even though the NX-01 is now fully entrenched in that canon yet TPTB still don't want to make that recton.
Now that you mention it, I can see President Archer taking the NX-01 out for a ceremonial cruise or two at public events. In which case the refit would be done both as a testing ground and as a publicity stunt.
