When was the NX-01 most likely refitted?

[Yistaan]

We know from its appearance in Picard that the NX-01 was refitted sometime during its 10 year service, meaning the shot of the NX-01 as it appeared during the show in 'These are the Voyages' have to be taken as artistic license utilized for the abrupt series finale and not how the ship "actually" looked in 2161. We also know that the ship was decomissioned in 2161, meaning that it wasn't refit after TATV.

Do we assume the refit happens in 2155 then? What would the in-universe reason for such a refit be? It's fortunate that it happens just before the Romulan War spanning 2156-2160 as I don't see the Enterprise taking time off to refit then.

Do any of the licensed non-canon works (like novels) cover a refit? Is it in the Romulan War book duology? Thanks.

 

[Artoo Atari]

I haven't read much non-canon stuff, so I unfortunately can't make any comments to that.

However, by my own reasoning, I would have to guess it was either in 2155 or during the war. If the war was 2156 to 2160, it wouldn't make much sense to refit it and then mothball it (unless they refitted it to be a training vessel).

Perhaps it took significant damage during the war and was refitted as it was being repaired.

 

[HotRod]

Technically speaking, there’s nothing that actually confirms the NX-01 was ever refitted. There wasn’t a single close-up shot of an NX-class ship in Picard, and it was never specifically identified as the NX-01.

As a big fan of the original NX design (and not much of a fan of the refit), I like to think the real NX-01 was tucked safely away inside the museum, while the refit NX-class we saw on the outside was actually the Endeavour, Atlantis, Challenger, or Discovery.

 

[Yistaan]

Perhaps it took significant damage during the war and was refitted as it was being repaired.

This may be the most likely case

 

[Dukhat]

We know from its appearance in Picard that the NX-01 was refitted sometime during its 10 year service, meaning the shot of the NX-01 as it appeared during the show in 'These are the Voyages' have to be taken as artistic license utilized for the abrupt series finale and not how the ship "actually" looked in 2161.

Why would one assume ‘artistic license’? The intent was that Riker’s holoprogram was historically accurate. There was a display of the ship on the bridge, and it was of the original version. Therefore, the ship looked like it always did by the time it was decommissioned. So according to what we see on screen, the NX-01 must have been refit after it was decommissioned.

We also know that the ship was decomissioned in 2161, meaning that it wasn't refit after TATV.

But the above information shows that is not true. So the real question is, why was a decommissioned ship given a secondary hull? The most logical explanation is that the ship was put in mothballs to be used as a test vessel for new technologies.

 

[korblborp]

This may be the most likely case

i think undergoing major structural changes in the middle of a war, instead of restoring to specs and getting back to action as fast as possible, is the least likely time to do it...
unless the nacelles and impulse spars were blasted clean off

 

[Mage]

If memory serves, the refit was never called NX class in the non-canon novels but Columbia class. And Enterprise was never refitted into it.
However, all sources make it very clear that the ship docked at the fleet museum IS NX-01 and has the refit. Again, the novels are secondary to the shows, for those that worship at the alter of Almighty CANON.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Never.

 

[valkyrie013]

Whats this TATV you speak of?

If we throw that out, Id say right before or just slightly after the beginning of the war.

 

[Mr J]

Whats this TATV you speak of?

If we throw that out, Id say right before or just slightly after the beginning of the war.

I vote this option as simplest!

Even if we do count it - we never saw the NX-01exterior in TATV, end shot aside which we can chalk up to "unrelated nice little Enterprise montage" - there was no evidence that flyby bit was part of the episode.

I choose to believe that NX-01 was refit some time a couple of years after Demons, perhaps just before or after Trip and T'Pol got married to live a long and happy life together... Trip cut the honeymoon short because he was desperate to oversee the new engines. Thats why we saw it in Picard S3.

TATV was an epilogue historical holodeck fiction piece that was well known to not be historically accurate.

Head-canon rules in times like this.

 

[HotRod]

However, all sources make it very clear that the ship docked at the fleet museum IS NX-01 and has the refit.

Sources don't really matter. It's what is shown on screen that counts.

It's implied in SNW that they had multiple NX Class ships in mothballs. There's nothing to say the one seen in Picard was Enterprise.

 

[Mage]

Sources don't really matter. It's what is shown on screen that counts.

It's implied in SNW that they had multiple NX Class ships in mothballs. There's nothing to say the one seen in Picard was Enterprise.

Except the people that made the show specifically pointing out it was the NX-01.

 

[HotRod]

Except the people that made the show specifically pointing out it was the NX-01.

Still doesn't matter. If we were to see the NX-01 again without the refit, it wouldn't be a canon violation.

 

[Yistaan]

I vote this option as simplest!

Even if we do count it - we never saw the NX-01exterior in TATV, end shot aside which we can chalk up to "unrelated nice little Enterprise montage" - there was no evidence that flyby bit was part of the episode.

I choose to believe that NX-01 was refit some time a couple of years after Demons, perhaps just before or after Trip and T'Pol got married to live a long and happy life together... Trip cut the honeymoon short because he was desperate to oversee the new engines. Thats why we saw it in Picard S3.

TATV was an epilogue historical holodeck fiction piece that was well known to not be historically accurate.

Head-canon rules in times like this.

The Romulan War means years after Terra Prime is unlikely. It's possible that immediately after Terra Prime there was a 1 year "cold war" period with the Romulans, and the NX-01 was refit in this time "just in case". Then when the war went hot in 2156 the refit Enterprise was sent out to combat.

If we're looking at non-canon works, the game Star Trek Legacy has the normal looking NX-01 as late as 2159. That being said, that game has other problems including mistakenly using a TMP model for the TOS Enterprise in one mission I think, and the appearance of the Borg after Nemesis contradicts the premise shown in Picard that all hostile Borg were pretty much scrap after Voyager (unless T'Uerell's Borg somehow were immune to this like Jurati's)

 

[Mage]

Still doesn't matter. If we were to see the NX-01 again without the refit, it wouldn't be a canon violation.

Okiedokie,

 

[HotRod]

Okiedokie,

Let's look at it this way, for decades every encyclopedia and reference book said that the Farragut was a Constitution class ship. Strange New Worlds comes along and shows the Farragut as being something different.

Has there been a canon violation? Nope. Because nothing on screen expressly said that the Farragut was a Constitution.

 

[Mage]

Let's look at it this way, for decades every encyclopedia and reference book said that the Farragut was a Constitution class ship. Strange New Worlds comes along and shows the Farragut as being something different.

Has there been a canon violation? Nope. Because nothing on screen expressly said that the Farragut was a Constitution.

Bro, I have no dog in this fight. I was just quoting what information I had. I don't care. Fuck canon. It's just a tv show. I said okiedokie so we could move on and I can enjoy my dinner and watch The Office. It's really not important.

 

[Mr J]

The Romulan War means years after Terra Prime is unlikely. It's possible that immediately after Terra Prime there was a 1 year "cold war" period with the Romulans, and the NX-01 was refit in this time "just in case". Then when the war went hot in 2156 the refit Enterprise was sent out to combat.

If we're looking at non-canon works, the game Star Trek Legacy has the normal looking NX-01 as late as 2159. That being said, that game has other problems including mistakenly using a TMP model for the TOS Enterprise in one mission I think, and the appearance of the Borg after Nemesis contradicts the premise shown in Picard that all hostile Borg were pretty much scrap after Voyager (unless T'Uerell's Borg somehow were immune to this like Jurati's)

Well, I said " a couple" of years, to be specific.

But yes, some time in the year or so after, before the Romulan war became a huge thing. Coto an co often described their planned Season 5 as "whispers of the Romulan War", so I'd presume the NX-01 getting a facelift might fit into the finale or so...

 

[valkyrie013]

Opinion ..

In the book series, the Kobiashi Maru incident was with the NX 01, so maybe after that, the ship got beat to hell again after that, and it was Refit then to add technology that was provided by other coalition species. So the Refit is the one in the war.

I know books aren't canon, but the Maru Scenerio with the Enterprise does make sense with what could have happened in a S5

 

[Imaus]

I hates the Akiraprise and the Refit more so. It squishes the technological timeline of ship design wayyy too much. Should had been a sort of Icarus-Daedalus design -

Hoyever -

Logically, it'll be during the Romulan War. Enterprise takes a bang up. Gets the refit, comes back roaring in time to help end the War. Big swooping angle shot of it roaring down on Romulan birds during the battle of Charon like thing. Something easily seen in a conceptual S5-S6. Maybe even Enterprise gets hit hard during the early stages of the war, if not the first battle, but more romantically, Enterprise does another sort of 'Xindi Run', maybe tries to stop the Romulan bio-bombing of Andoria *which apparently is a thing that happened*, gets banged up.

Columbia could had had such a refit 'first', thus the Columbia Class angle stick, the 'Starfleet Museum' is supposed to be showing the NX-01 in all materials about it, so this makes the most sense. Doing it after the war but decommissioning the ship won't fly in any fleet, and doing it to take it off for TATV doesn't make sense either. Logically, thus, it makes sense that 2156-2160, Ent got the refit.