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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

How would you rate Superman?

  • You'll believe a man can fly

    Votes: 26 27.4%
  • A

    Votes: 14 14.7%
  • A-

    Votes: 15 15.8%
  • B+

    Votes: 20 21.1%
  • B

    Votes: 8 8.4%
  • B-

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • C+

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • C

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • D

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • A pocket full of Kryptonite

    Votes: 2 2.1%

  • Total voters
    95
Well, it's off the schedule of my local theater, so even though I'd be game to go once, maybe even twice more, my big screen viewings top out at four times. Unless there's any re-release, or special screening at some point. Or a double-feature for the release of Supergirl?! Fingers crossed.
Not surprised as its available now for digital purchase. It will be available on 4k and blu ray next month..
 
Not surprised as its available now for digital purchase. It will be available on 4k and blu ray next month..

It being well liked by audiences, they are hoping for greater spillover success while the film is still fresh in audiences minds.
 
Regarding the Swanwick-J'onn J'onzz matter; even in the comics J'onn J'onzz hid his existence from the public for a long while. Originally, he was only outed by alien invaders, in more recent interpretations, he was afraid of human intolerance, as he came to Earth in 1950s America, in a climate of paranoid xenophobia, and he only revealed himself after the new generation of superheroes came about.
 
Not unsubstantiated at all, as stated above both Nolan and Gerwig deliberately delayed both going to VOD and streaming precisely to draw more to the Cinema. Praise and interest simply aren't enough.

No concrete evidence relevant to the theater performance matter by any stretch of the imagination. The two films in question were strong performers in theaters--usually the motive for films running longer than a month (or so) before going to streaming. You can continue to perform MCU-defensive gymnastics (your only motive in this matter) until the end of time, but Barbie and Oppenheimer's mass appeal was a statement of their high quality to audiences around the world. They were not sleepers in theaters, nor did they need to find success in the home media market. They were phenomenal hits in theaters. The people wanted to see the films, and as much as it pains you, many recent era Marvel Studios films were underperforming or in the case of one, a historic flop. That's a serious Marvel Disney problem (one Feige recognizes), not one industry wide, or due to any other limp excuses you've dreamed up.
 
No concrete evidence relevant to the theater performance matter by any stretch of the imagination. The two films in question were strong performers in theaters--usually the motive for films running longer than a month (or so) before going to streaming. You can continue to perform MCU-defensive gymnastics (your only motive in this matter) until the end of time, but Barbie and Oppenheimer's mass appeal was a statement of their high quality to audiences around the world. They were not sleepers in theaters, nor did they need to find success in the home media market. They were phenomenal hits in theaters. The people wanted to see the films, and as much as it pains you, many recent era Marvel Studios films were underperforming or in the case of one, a historic flop. That's a serious Marvel Disney problem (one Feige recognizes), not one industry wide, or due to any other limp excuses you've dreamed up.
It's more concrete than "People went because of the director and the story".

They were strong performers because of the media pushing the "Barbieheimer" phenomenon, the actors and directors themselves getting in on it, the hype and the knowledge that no one knew exactly when they'd be watchable at home.

And yes, the industry as a whole has been suffering from low viewership. There's a reason why the number of billion dollar hits dropped so much after 2019.
 
Or, Snyder just threw that shit against the wall while shooting new scenes for his TV version of JL, without having thought it through.
He did say he threw a lot of shit against the wall. Basically, since he was given carte blanche, he put in everything he would have loved to include in the movie.
 
Regarding the Swanwick-J'onn J'onzz matter; even in the comics J'onn J'onzz hid his existence from the public for a long while. Originally, he was only outed by alien invaders, in more recent interpretations, he was afraid of human intolerance, as he came to Earth in 1950s America, in a climate of paranoid xenophobia, and he only revealed himself after the new generation of superheroes came about.

Just finished reading Martian Manhunter Vol 2 # 20 cover date July 2000.

1. John had the tech to notice baby Kent's ship incoming.

2. The Kent's got there first, but not by much. J'Onn had a Telepathic conversation with the Eradicator/The Birthing Matrix/Clark's ship, who claimed that Kal-El's destiny was to KryptoForm Earth, and rebuild Krypton on this new world.

3. Invisible John checks out the Kent farm house, only then realizing that the traveler is an innocent and ignorant baby with no ulterior motives. They didn't say that John sabotaged the Eradicator/Birthing Matrix and it wasn't even implied, but for some reason the Ship did not telepathically recondition Clark into a despotic asshole. John Ostrander was weaving his story here inside John Byrnes Man of Steele Origin Story, where I recall the ship laying some heavy shit on Clark.

4. John pretended to be an African American migrant worker working on the Kent farm, who befriended 8 year old Clark, just to make sure that the boy didn't have secret programming inside his head to destroy the Earth. Clark and Johnathan Kent "saved" the incognito Martian Manhunter from a Lynching by Klansmen.

5. Disguised as a lady high school civics teacher, John taught (brainwashed?) teen Clark how to be a decent human being, for one full year.

6. Soon after he came out, as an adult, "Superman" meets his Father Jor-El, which was really J'onn J'onzz shape shifting and fibbing a little, to test a theory and give the Man of Steel one last "Hitler-test" which Clark failed with flying colours, when he vowed to stop his fake daddy from from reverse terraforming Earth into a new Krypton.

7. The following issue (MM #21) is about when the Martian Manhunter had an adventure with Green Lantern Abin Sur hours before that asshole Hal Jordan took Sur's magic ring over his dead body, but it's not nearly as formative as Martian Manhunter #20.
 
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I must be the only one who hasn't seen either of them. I don't understand the appeal. Then again I haven't been to a movie theater post-Covid and I don't subscribe to any streaming services and I don't have at Smart TV that allows for streaming. I have a blu-ray player that's gathering dust hooked up to my television. I get more enjoyment popping in a CD after work and listening to music.
 
I must be the only one who hasn't seen either of them. I don't understand the appeal. Then again I haven't been to a movie theater post-Covid and I don't subscribe to any streaming services and I don't have at Smart TV that allows for streaming. I have a blu-ray player that's gathering dust hooked up to my television. I get more enjoyment popping in a CD after work and listening to music.

Barbie was definitely worth the trip to the cinema. Definitely worth a rental, if such things exist now.
 
Just watched the film for the second time and it's even better than the first viewing. I certainly wish I had a chance to go see it on the big screen (IMAX or otherwise) again but unfortunately it didn't really work out.

Either way, I loved this film even more than I did before and I was relieved that most of my major hang-ups that I talked about in my review didn't feel as problematic, especially when I looked at the whole experience from a purely comic book perspective (just as @The Lensman suggested to me). With that lens in mind (no pun intended), my major issues with the silly nature of the antiproton river, the cosmic threat being treated as a secondary threat on the backdrop of everything else, the quick and sudden change of public opinion regarding Superman and then Lex Luthor, and the overstuffed third act didn't bother me as much.

That said, I still have my own issues with Krypto and that largely stems from my own personal issues with hyper dogs like Krypto. But I will admit, there were a few more moments with him that I loved than I initially thought, particularly when Krypto casually and stubbornly sat in Lois' lap when she was trying to pilot Terrific's ship and when Krypto laid on a recuperating Clark in his childhood bedroom.

In fact, I enjoyed the film even more this time that I'm upgrading my vote from A- to A. That rarely happens as it's usually the other way around or stubbornly staying put.
 
Just finished reading Martian Manhunter Vol 2 # 20 cover date July 2000.

1. John had the tech to notice baby Kent's ship incoming.

2. The Kent's got there first, but not by much. J'Onn had a Telepathic conversation with the Eradicator/The Birthing Matrix/Clark's ship, who claimed that Kal-El's destiny was to KryptoForm Earth, and rebuild Krypton on this new world.

3. Invisible John checks out the Kent farm house, only then realizing that the traveler is an innocent and ignorant baby with no ulterior motives. They didn't say that John sabotaged the Eradicator/Birthing Matrix and it wasn't even implied, but for some reason the Ship did not telepathically recondition Clark into a despotic asshole. John Ostrander was weaving his story here inside John Byrnes Man of Steele Origin Story, where I recall the ship laying some heavy shit on Clark.

4. John pretended to be an African American migrant worker working on the Kent farm, who befriended 8 year old Clark, just to make sure that the boy didn't have secret programming inside his head to destroy the Earth. Clark and Johnathan Kent "saved" the incognito Martian Manhunter from a Lynching by Klansmen.

5. Disguised as a lady high school civics teacher, John taught (brainwashed?) teen Clark how to be a decent human being, for one full year.

6. Soon after he came out, as an adult, "Superman" meets his Father Jor-El, which was really J'onn J'onzz shape shifting and fibbing a little, to test a theory and give the Man of Steel one last "Hitler-test" which Clark failed with flying colours, when he vowed to stop his fake daddy from from reverse terraforming Earth into a new Krypton.

7. The following issue (MM #21) is about when the Martian Manhunter had an adventure with Green Lantern Abin Sur hours before that asshole Hal Jordan took Sur's magic ring over his dead body, but it's not nearly as formative as Martian Manhunter #20.

A genuine thanks for posting that. I never even knew this story existed. Also, I didn't read a lot of the early Byrne run. Was it ever implied (or outright stated) in that run that Kal had a directive from Jor-El? One thing about Gunn--he's certainly done his research.
 
A genuine thanks for posting that. I never even knew this story existed. Also, I didn't read a lot of the early Byrne run. Was it ever implied (or outright stated) in that run that Kal had a directive from Jor-El? One thing about Gunn--he's certainly done his research.
Man of Steel is a four issue limited series that covers the post crisis origin of Superman. You can see the passage of time as Lex Luthor's hair is falling out in clumps. When Clark comes of age, the "Eradicator" starts projecting Holograms of Jor-El that seems like a Ghost hunting the Kent Farm. I believe that Johnathan and Martha hear an alien language, but Clark hears a tale of woe from his papa about the last days of Krypton. I Believe Clark really starts to Zone out at one point, so Johnathan attacks the ship/AI with a spade and saves his boy from full conversion into a Kryptofascist.

Byrne also did further historical limited serieses called "Smallville", "Krypton" and "Metropolis", that helped us colour inside the lines as to what is and what is not "Post Crisis".
 
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It's more concrete than "People went because of the director and the story".

Continue to tell your failing MCU-butthurt self that lie. The Barbie film took a globally popular toy line--already a hook--and subverted clutral perceptions expectations while simultaneously giving some respectful nods to the multi-generational characters / tropes. Oppenheimer was sold on the strength of one of this century's best director-writers, who already succeeded in the WW2 genre with Dunkirk, so Nolan and the subject matter were responsible for sending moviegoers to theaters at record levels. Oh, I will gladly remind you that Oppenheimer is the highest grossing WW2/related film in history. He is that kind of filmmaker.

Yes, yes, sad one, I know the mere mention of Nolan's own appeal--who directed and co-wrote what is arguably the greatest of all superhero films with The Dark Knight--causes you to roll in the floor in some Marvel-defensive fit, but the facts are there to be found, and again, you have not presented one concrete fact to support your whining, which--once again--is all designed to explain the recent era Marvel Studios underperformers and flops.

...and your other claim--that only "moms and girls" saw and made Barbie the phenomenal success that it was is some rather ultra misogynistic crap unsupported by fact, similar to your utterly disrespectful claim that the Academy only awarded Ledger the Oscar for The Dark Knight not due to the power of this performance as the Joker, but due to a mythical "gay agenda", which had "Hollywood" wanting to, but afraid to award him for Brokeback Mountain, so they gave it to him for The Dark Knight as some sort of secret, "gay agenda" consolation prize. Quite the sickening fantasy, all due to your eternal hatred of the fact DC movie actors were recognized by the Academy in ways no MCU actors have, and its unlikely they ever will..

Yeah, that is all you, and part of your pattern of believing the worst kind of antisocial fantasies and pushing them as some ever-failing protective measure for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.


A guy here. I loved it.

According to Anwar, you--and other males admitting they enjoyed the movie (read: supported it as part of the films success)--do not exist. You must be a ghost or some illusion projected from Talos IV.
 
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