Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion
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I loved it too. I'm a woman, but not a mom.Are you a girl or a mom?
Jeez. It's a movie. People pay the ticket, someone enjoys it, someone doesn't.
I want more, and I'm not getting more unless this one does good.
Wonder Woman twisting Maxwell Lords neck all the way around.
That's where this is heading.
And then there are the someones who don’t for … shall we say, idiosyncratic reasons.
“Caricature.”
Where is your evidence reaching a hard conclusion that the film only appealed (as implied in your quote) "...to all the kids (girls and moms)". Again, cite the evidence.
All the promotion in the world cannot make a film soar anywhere near or past a billion dollars, as we are seeing with Gunn's Superman, and months ago with Captain America: Brave New World (both films with ubiquitous promotional campaigns in the respective month before their release), etc.
I know it pains some, but Nolan's Oppenheimer was a massive success due to interest in seeing the subject and the fact it was a Nolan film when it was released, and in addition to word of mouth. The undeniable power of Nolan's work easily captured the attention of moviegoers (Oppenheimer is now the most successful WWII-associated film in history, replacing the previous title holder, Nolan's own Dunkirk from 2017). Your exaggeration that moviegoers only made the two films in question a success because they did not know when either would be available on streaming is nonsensical, and code to argue against why audiences will show up to actually sit in a theater if the films are considered great, as opposed to many of the recent era Marvel Studios underperformers or historic flops, which--from the earnings results--suggest moviegoers felt they were not worth a theater visit. Yeah, everyone knows where you were going with that little theory.
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Nolan has consistently made great films for the past twenty five years. He has also brought out great performances from actors. His one commercial flop was due to the pandemic, not the quality of the film.
My evidence?
From Taylor Swift's Eras tour to 'Barbie,' women drive blockbusters. Will Hollywood notice?
Taylor Swift's Eras tour and Greta Gerwig's "Barbie" are both $1-billion grossing events. A look at moms and the "women's multiplier effect."
www.latimes.com
In this case, it was Barbie's FIRST big movie and the huge audience demographic that had been waiting for it. Not the 20th in a long series.
Being unsure about streaming release is a big thing, if folks aren't 100% sure it will be on a streaming service in 1 month then they're more likely to go see it.
By your logic, Blade Runner and "The Thing" and Shawshank Redemption and "The Iron Giant" and The Shining are all poor movies.
Marvel fanatics will never own up to the fact that so many of their recent movies have been the sh@ts. Not to mention that in their heyday, Marvel attracted MANY girls and moms. I still remember the kids who packed the theaters to see that first Avengers movie, which I made a point to go see many times. It was that good. The audience experience was also nice because the first time they pop on screen you hear a kid go "Ironman!" or "Captain America!"
Marvel good will was so strong that they packed with kids even for Guardians of the Galaxy 1, a group of characters that no one outside of comic nerds knew existed. If the movie is good, it has legs and everyone goes to see it. If it sucks, the film dies. Period. Marvel's brand has been damaged from churning out too many mediocre or bad films and its going to take time to get that good will back.
Same goes for DC, who has an even bigger hill to climb because it never really had a heyday unless you go back to the Dark Knight Trilogy, which was not a shared universe. That DCEU never appealed to kids and was rushed. Serious is fine if you only care about appealing to adults, but the franchise isnt going to hit billions unless it at least has SOME fun factor to it. Even that last Batman movie, which did around 700 million, was so serious and unfun that the kids sitting a couple seats from me was bored out their minds.
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Aaaaaand there we go. Superman's worldwide gross has exceeded $562.5M, so based on its reported production budget of $225M it has most likely broken even. As mentioned above, this means DC has broken a seven-film losing streak, and the new DCU initiative has gotten off on the right foot (however modestly).
It's funny how WB 13 years was chasing that "One billion" box office recognition but now are content with $562.5M
Where's all the doom and gloom and quietly sacking James Gunn for underperforming?
It's just hilarious.
2013 - $670,145,518 for Man of Steel
WB- Quick! Get the guy who directed ARGO and ditch plans for "Man of Steel 2" We're going to rush our build up of the Justice League and cast Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg
Where's all the doom and gloom and quietly sacking James Gunn for underperforming?
It's just hilarious.
2013 - $670,145,518 for Man of Steel
WB- Quick! Get the guy who directed ARGO and ditch plans for "Man of Steel 2" We're going to rush our build up of the Justice League and cast Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg
And a streaming sensation based on how many times my wife watched it.
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