You keep saying this like it's absolute fact when this is just pure supposition to maintain your argument. Where's your proof?
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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A lot of this thread consists of "I got my slice of the pie, so, quick, pull up the ladder"
Friends have tried to get me into anime. I'd look at episode lists in the mid to high hundreds and just go, that's too much. Then they would say but if you end up liking it, there's a massive back catalog to enjoy. And my reply would be... then I'd be missing out on everything else that's being produced recently. Short of a massive content production drop (well beyond anything caused by Covid and the strikes), I'd have little incentive to go down so many rabbit holes that could eat up entertainment time for years.
Let's say you know someone you think would like the Star Trek franchise and you'd like to gradually introduce it to them. You'd need to curate the "best of" to show all the good stuff (which is of course increasingly subjective post-ENT...).
Someone with no prior connection to the franchise just looking at that list would likely time-out on it and pass.
The key flaw in Kurtzman's model was trying to slice and dice the existing fanbase while attempting to bring in new people and spending at very high budget models behind a paywall.
That looks so fucking hectic.
Friends have tried to get me into anime. I'd look at episode lists in the mid to high hundreds and just go, that's too much. Then they would say but if you end up liking it, there's a massive back catalog to enjoy. And my reply would be... then I'd be missing out on everything else that's being produced recently. Short of a massive content production drop (well beyond anything caused by Covid and the strikes), I'd have little incentive to go down so many rabbit holes that could eat up entertainment time for years.
Let's say you know someone you think would like the Star Trek franchise and you'd like to gradually introduce it to them. You'd need to curate the "best of" to show all the good stuff (which is of course increasingly subjective post-ENT...).
Someone with no prior connection to the franchise just looking at that list would likely time-out on it and pass.
What's kinda crazy is that since 2017 people have been trying to reverse engineer what DISCOVERY likely should have been. Set 75 years give or take after the TNG/DS9/VGR era, with some connections to pre-existing continuity, but nothing prohibitive.
Unless he found some time warp effect to take him a little farther into the future.Haha. I forgot he may still me out there somewhere with his shuttle craft. He would be like almost 100 now...
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Besides the fact that the writing pales in comparison to the "Golden Age" and by and large the acting is worse than TOS' worst episodes on average, which I'm sure have been talked about ad nauseam, I think that Star Trek simply doesn't work with the way modern television is made. Almost no television shows anymore do a full-length mostly serialized season. Everything is what I like to call a BBC miniseries, with a low episode count and a tight plot that is told throughout the course of a ten-episode season. Star Trek works best, and has had such a longevity and captivation in people (at least myself), when it is allowed to focus on its characters and the dynamic between them. You simply aren't able to do that in ten episodes, no matter how good they are (and frankly, most of the new shows are by and large awful.)
Imagine an entire season formulated around Encounter at Farpoint. That's how I see every show that's been made.
I think Star Trek will be wound down and once all of the productions that have been contracted and already made are completed and aired, they'll put the IP to rest. It's too expensive to make these days, and I don't think it quite has the pull that some people imagine it to have. Strange New Worlds is somewhere around $8 million an episode.
Imagine an entire season formulated around Encounter at Farpoint. That's how I see every show that's been made.
I think Star Trek will be wound down and once all of the productions that have been contracted and already made are completed and aired, they'll put the IP to rest. It's too expensive to make these days, and I don't think it quite has the pull that some people imagine it to have. Strange New Worlds is somewhere around $8 million an episode.
Yeah.
No.
It’s not gonna be put to rest. Not as long as it’s profitable at least.
If they can spend 80 mill on a series of SNW, they are doing that because they know there are net gains. Net gains which TPTB know way more about than us.
Star Trek is (and always has been) entertainment, not art.
No.
It’s not gonna be put to rest. Not as long as it’s profitable at least.
If they can spend 80 mill on a series of SNW, they are doing that because they know there are net gains. Net gains which TPTB know way more about than us.
Star Trek is (and always has been) entertainment, not art.
I can agree that it is a theory. But as such, it's more plausible than the "oh, just a little war, and then everything will be alright again" theory which you and some other posters come up with.
A WWIII which will include the use of nuclear weapons will be devastating, more devastating that you ever can imagine.
Is this the ‘should Star Trek be rested topic’ or is the ‘what would be the after effects of a nuclear conflict topic’?
Nope
Haha. It is one of those topics that is indeed toxic but still interesting. The franchise has been running non stop for the better part of 50 years now and it's showing. I just feel it really needs to stop and someone needs gets it back on track.
No it isn't.
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:
Someone on staff (can't remember who) was asked "How long will The Simpsons continue?"
The answer was "Until we run out of good ideas. Then a few years after that."
No, it's not. This sort of thinking happens in cycles with the fandom, they said it when TNG was announced back in 1986 and they said it again when ENT was cancelled in 2005.
Maybe it's a little overproduced nowadays, but that just means you'll get some s*** with the shinola.
Maybe it's a little overproduced nowadays, but that just means you'll get some s*** with the shinola.
When TNG was announced I don't ever remember people saying Trek needed a rest. In fact TNG while not 100% accepted by fandom at the time had a decent reaction. Enterprise is when Fandom were "tiring" of Trek. It hasn't gotten better since IMO mostly worse. Trek had a lousy 4 years between 2005-2009 with talk of a new production in that time period with the 2009 movie. So truly there has always been something in production on the horizon every year since 1978/79.
Its just limping along at this point IMO. When they resort to things like making a silly slapstick surreal cartoon Canon, making a musical and constant comedy episodes etc. I think the writing is on the wall. It's needs a rest and eventual total REBOOT. Probably not in older fans lifetimes. I will be too old for a reboot several years from now or maybe even dead. But a reboot with a new generation of program viewers.
We are closing in on 1000 episodes (not including movies) now all claiming to be part of a whole shared universe. Time for an ending and then a fresh start for new generations I should think. "Our" time is done fellers ....
I dunno, Dr Who has been doing the same things and it's stayed on for the last 20 years since it became "New Who". Those sorts of things, like musicals and stuff, have just become part of modern TV thanks to people like Joss Whedon.Its just limping along at this point IMO. When they resort to things like making a silly slapstick surreal cartoon Canon, making a musical and constant comedy episodes etc. I think the writing is on the wall. It's needs a rest and eventual total REBOOT. Probably not in older fans lifetimes. I will be too old for a reboot several years from now or maybe even dead. But a reboot with a new generation of program viewers.
We are closing in on 1000 episodes (not including movies) now all claiming to be part of a whole shared universe. Time for an ending and then a fresh start for new generations I should think. "Our" time is done fellers ....
It's Trek adapting to modern standards.
There were 79 episodes and four movies. A far cry from nearly a thousand episodes and 13 movies.
Dr. Who has gotten really bad. As for adapting to modern standards...?? That buffy episode was 24 years ago so hardly a new modern concept. Plus they did it better. Again light hearted episodes for me are fine. But stuff like extreme surreal slapstick comedy and musicals just don't seem Star Trek. I have said this before..mark my words we will eventually get a fourth wall breaking episode/character in Trek and then eventually we will find out that the Trek Universe is controlled and written by a God/robot name Gene.....it's the last two gimmicks after the puppet that I can think of that they haven't done yet ..
...I wish Trek would Adapt to BETTER modern scripts. There are a lot of excellent scripted dramatic shows (drama or scifi) out there today. Shows that don't rely on this extreme silly stuff.
I don't have a complete distaste to more sillier stories. But they have to have boundaries. Example. Farscape has it's share of episodes like this. But they made sense in the context of the show. That show knew how to balance drama, action and comedy.
Yeah I know and no one was saying it needed a rest at the time like Anwar alluded to. At least I think that is what he meant.
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