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Revisiting Star Trek Continues...

If STC were total crap, anything like what Trek has been like for seemingly ages now, it would be easy to dismiss and ignore as a wasted effort. But in fairness they did get some things right that I liked and even applaud.

The post production was generally quite good. For the most part is where you could really feel you were watching something from 1969. Occasionally they did something I think would have been a bit too beyond TOS’ resources or if TOS had done it they would have done it differently. The Enterprise itself generally looked great and far better than what was done in TOS-R.

I liked how they managed to make the Enterprise look populated again. Sometimes in TOS Season 3 the ship seemed deserted.

It was nice to see other aliens in Starfleet like Admiral Stom and the Andorian Commodore in the finale. Thats something TOS could have done, but never got around to doing although they did allude to it (re: the Vulcan crew of the Intrepid). I’m also glad we got Commodore Gray to show that women did indeed rise to command rank and position. Again this is something TOS could have done if they had bothered.

Regardless of what was done with the characters seeing more semi-regulars like McKennah, Smith, Drake and Nurse Burke reminded me of how we would like to have seen more of that in TOS. We would all have liked some characters appear again like M’Benga and Palmer did in two episodes. We could have seen Garrovick, Kyle, Leslie, Tonia Barrows, Freeman, Charlene Masters, O’Shea, Wilson, Giotto and others.

Some of their original scoring came off nice, but occasionally not. In particular there was quite a bit of original scoring in the finale episodes that didn’t sound right at all.

So I rank STC as a disappointment rather than a total write-off.
 
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I am trying to remember, were ALL of STC's episodes filmed on a soundstage? I don't think they ever went outside for any scenes...maybe except for that Kickstarter video where Mignogna and Haberkorn were in a street scene mimicking Kirk and Spock in 1930s Chicago
 
I am trying to remember, were ALL of STC's episodes filmed on a soundstage? I don't think they ever went outside for any scenes...maybe except for that Kickstarter video where Mignogna and Haberkorn were in a street scene mimicking Kirk and Spock in 1930s Chicago
Not sure, but I think it was all soundstage.
 
End tag of episode 1 was an exterior.

Episode 5's Civil War scenes were filmed on location with re-enactors.

By episodes 9 thru 11, they had their planet exterior set stage.
 
I'm looking at Is there in Truth No Beauty, where Scotty wears that awesome modified formal uniform based on the scottish kilt. Would the scots be the only ethnicity allowed this variation on the usual Starfleet formal dress?
Maybe Sulu wears a kimono variation?
 
I'm looking at Is there in Truth No Beauty, where Scotty wears that awesome modified formal uniform based on the scottish kilt. Would the scots be the only ethnicity allowed this variation on the usual Starfleet formal dress?
Maybe Sulu wears a kimono variation?
That's a pre-Western tradition (today it's black suits), and if so, it would be a white kimono. Sulu doesn't strike me as a follower of traditional Japanese customs. Heck, he wasn't even originally intended to be Japanese at all, but pan-Asian, if you will.
 
Same for me, yet I can still find the odd wrinkles on my forehead, but Doohan seems to have very few of those...Anyway, good for him!
I have very few lines on my forehead unless I raise my eyebrows.


Back to the nominal topic, it was STC's increasingly Next Gen-type storytelling and frequent callbacks that made me lose interest in it. I skipped several segments entirely and then came back for the finale, only to find it doubled down on all the things that made me walk away in the first place.
 
Back to the nominal topic, it was STC's increasingly Next Gen-type storytelling and frequent callbacks that made me lose interest in it. I skipped several segments entirely and then came back for the finale, only to find it doubled down on all the things that made me walk away in the first place.
Initially I hung in and started watching Part 1 of the finale. It didn’t take long to get the drift of it. I turned it off in disgust, but sometime later went back with the thought I can’t criticize it if I don’t know how it goes. I endured sitting through it, but it was as bad I had suspected. Revisiting it now it is as bad as I remembered.

They couldn’t get into into the 1960’s mindset. It was if they had thought, “Wouldn’t it be cool if TOS were more like TNG?” And thats what we got. Then they laid on the fan service, lightly at first but increasingly as the production progressed.

It’s disappointing. As I said upthread there were stories and ideas here I could see TOS doing given a bit extra time. This could have been a real gem for diehard TOS fans. But that wasn’t what they really wanted to do.

And if they think they were doing it then they didn’t really get it.
 
My Youtube has been sending me many different STC-related videos over the last 2 weeks, including some interviews by Larry Nemecek and the different actors. But what's really interesting is all the dozens and dozens of commentors who fall all over themselves praising STC as even better than OG Trek season 3 even...

It had its share of entertainment value, but come on...It had an advantage other fan films lacked, which was having professional actors polishing the dialogue and giving it a more natural feel. But near the end their story logic was going all over the place...
 
STC never had an episode that could stand with the best of TOS’ Season 3. They had some comparable to average Season 3. And TOS’ worst were still better than STC’s worst.
 
It's a little tough to compare STC with TOS' Season 3 because STC can be criticized for things that one could not criticize TOS for. TOS didn't have pointless fan service or jargon and character behaviour that felt distinctly out of place (for the most part). Neither was TOS written as if it were trying to be a different show. TOS could be criticized for coming up short on trying to achieve its goals in terms of story and execution. But TOS couldn't be criticized for not living up to its source material given it was the source material.

Several years ago I had done a revisit of TOS and ranked the episodes.

Breakdown by Season

Good to Excellent

Season 1 = 82.7% (24 episodes)
Season 2 = 61.5% (16 episodes)
Season 3 = 50% (12 episodes)

Fair
Season 1 = 17.2% (5 episodes)
Season 2 = 26.9% (7 episodes)
Season 3 = 25% (6 episodes)

Poor to Bad
Season 1 = 0% (0 episodes)
Season 2 = 11.5% (3 episodes)
Season 3 = 25% (6 episodes)


Now lets add STC

Excellent - 0 episodes = 0%
Good - 3 episodes = 27%
Fair - 3 episodes = 27%
Poor - 5 episodes = 45%
Bad - 0 episodes = 0%

STC had three good episodes and none excellent (yeah, your mileage might vary). TOS Season 3 did way better than that and managed to have some excellent episodes as well. STC had three fair episodes which was pretty much the same as TOS Season 3 (in terms of percentage). STC had five poor episodes, and none actually bad (and again your mileage might vary) which was way worse percentage wise than TOS Season 3.

From my perspective STC had a bit more than half fair-to-good episodes which isn't on par with TOS Season 3. And they had significantly more poor and disappointing episodes than TOS Season 3. In that light alone if STC really represented TOS' fourth season I would see it as quite a let down.

Yeah, the fan service definitely hurt and more so as the production progressed. But what I think hurt even more was not hewing more closely to TOS' sense of storytelling and trying to be more like TNG. That and indulging in stories that never would have occurred to the TOS writers and creators. They should have thought more in terms of what could TOS have done if they had had the chance rather than wouldn't it be fun if they did a story like such-and-such while knowing full well TOS would never have done it.

And so, it's highly unlikely "Pilgrim Of Eternity" would have been done. I say highly unlikely because they did actually bring back Harry Mudd even though it can be argued it wasn't that great an idea. "Fairest Of Them All" was entertaining, but we all know TOS would never have done anything like that. "The White Iris" is also something highly unlikely TOS would have done. It's also unlikely "Embracing The Winds" would have done, but maybe something like it in a modified form could have been done.

Then, of course, there is the two-part finale of "To Boldly Go" which inarguably would never have been done. So easily half of STC is something you never would have seen in 1969/70. To me that says they really weren't committed to emulating TOS in spirit and substance, and more intent on fulfilling their own fannish agenda.
 
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Well, there's at least one thing that STC didn't do that I'm grateful for...they didn't create yet another alien planet with "parallel development", i.e. another planet completely identical to our own for convenient use of backlot sets...
Probably one of OG Trek's laziest tropes ("yeah, bring on the planet of the Wild Ones!")
 
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