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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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What I wanted from MCU Spider-Man is a character who was similar to the 1994 Animated Series, the Raimi and TASM movies, and the Ultimate Comics versions of the character, not a character who is almost totally dependent on other people (Tony and "Fury") to actually do anything significant.
If you genuinely believe that about each of the films, then you weren't paying attention.
 
What I wanted from MCU Spider-Man is a character who was similar to the 1994 Animated Series, the Raimi and TASM movies, and the Ultimate Comics versions of the character, not a character who is almost totally dependent on other people (Tony and "Fury") to actually do anything significant.

Uh, have you forgotten how often that Spider-Man in the 90s cartoon needed to be rescued and helped by other people?
 
Uh, have you forgotten how often that Spider-Man in the 90s cartoon needed to be rescued and helped by other people?

Possibly.

Even if you exclude TAS Spider-Man, though, the MCU version of the character still isn't the independent, self-assured and 'snappy' character that I fell in love with and that I'm probably never going to get to see despite No Way Home's ending providing the perfect opportunity to present said character onscreen.
 
I get the impression that the MCU is trying to move away from alternate realities and space stuff and do a return to Earth approach with their stories. Which makes sense to me. A Doctor Strange or Thor movie might be the exceptions. The Guardian stories are over. Captain Marvel failed as a character. Nobody cared about the Eternals. Not much reason to be out in space at this point. X-Men tend to be earth centered stories.

The X-Men do space, time-travel, and multi-universal stuff.

I think the problem with space stories is that we haven't had a good one in a while. There are still some great space characters out there to be used. I would still love to see Annihilation on screen.
 
Civil War, Homecoming, Far From Home, and Infinity War took everything that defined Spider-Man as a character and discarded it by first making him Tony's "shadow" and then by making him a lackey of "Fury".

This point of view may refer to the original Spider-Man character, but it is not relevant to the Ultimate Universe version that the MCU tends to be based on.
 
What I wanted from MCU Spider-Man is a character who was similar to the 1994 Animated Series, the Raimi and TASM movies, and the Ultimate Comics versions of the character, not a character who is almost totally dependent on other people (Tony and "Fury") to actually do anything significant.
The notion that Peter was dependent upon these other characters is utterly laughable. The entire point of Tony taking away the advanced suit suit and Peter having to use his old school suit to take down Vulture was to show that he was, in point of fact, not dependent upon Tony or the suit. I don't see how anybody can watch that scene and honestly believe otherwise. You're just bent because you don't want any other heroes to be in Spider-Man movies, and that's just not going to be the case In the MCU and there's absolutely no reason why it should be. That's the whole point of being in a shared universe. Claiming that Peter was dependent upon Tony does nothing except destroy your own credibility (nothing new there) and it certainly does not make anything even close to a legitimate point about the movie.
 
The notion that Peter was dependent upon these other characters is utterly laughable. The entire point of Tony taking away the advanced suit suit and Peter having to use his old school suit to take down Vulture was to show that he was, in point of fact, not dependent upon Tony or the suit. I don't see how anybody can watch that scene and honestly believe otherwise. You're just bent because you don't want any other heroes to be in Spider-Man movies, and that's just not going to be the case In the MCU and there's absolutely no reason why it should be. That's the whole point of being in a shared universe. Claiming that Peter was dependent upon Tony does nothing except destroy your own credibility (nothing new there) and it certainly does not make anything even close to a legitimate point about the movie.

If I had an issue with Guest Characters simply showing up in other characters' solo movies, I would hate Iron Man 2, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and The Marvels, but 3 of those 4 films (IM2, MoM, and The Marvels) are favorites of mine.

What I hate about Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far From Home is that the Guest Characters are the focus of the narrative.
 
If I had an issue with Guest Characters simply showing up in other characters' solo movies, I would hate Iron Man 2, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and The Marvels, but 3 of those 4 films (IM2, MoM, and The Marvels) are favorites of mine.

What I hate about Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far From Home is that the Guest Characters are the focus of the narrative.
Not in the real world. Tony Stark is only in 8 and 1/2 minutes of the movie and has absolutely no play whatsoever in the climax. But, you do you. I'm done. It's like arguing with a flat earther.
 
That approach would totally miss the point of X-Men.

I don't know. If mutants become a new thing to the world after the earth is changed then it means you could explore regular humans starting to hate mutants like in the comics and see the rise of that hatred growing. Maybe Magneto or one of the other villains does something to make that hatred even worst. This inspires Xavier to open his school and eventually form the first X-Men team.
 
Christ, this topic has become repetitive and dull.

I got a new topic. Should we see Santa Claus as a character? I know in the comics he is real and a super powerful mutant. I think they should do a special or tv movie around Christmas that features the character. I would be great IMO.
 
If I had an issue with Guest Characters simply showing up in other characters' solo movies, I would hate Iron Man 2, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and The Marvels, but 3 of those 4 films (IM2, MoM, and The Marvels) are favorites of mine.

What I hate about Spider-Man: Homecoming and Spider-Man: Far From Home is that the Guest Characters are the focus of the narrative.
Then don't watch the movies, watch the cartoons and older ones. They're all available for streaming 24/7, they even made a new cartoon. They aren't going to stop having a shared universe because one guy on the internet doesn't like it.
 
I don't know. If mutants become a new thing to the world after the earth is changed then it means you could explore regular humans starting to hate mutants like in the comics and see the rise of that hatred growing. Maybe Magneto or one of the other villains does something to make that hatred even worst. This inspires Xavier to open his school and eventually form the first X-Men team.
Isn't that essentially the origin of the X-Men. I've read a few years of comics from the early 80s and then some in the mid 00s, and some reprints from the 60s, but other than the lore I don't really have a lot of in depth knowledge about the comics.
 
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