Other people find it cringe, but you don’t

[FredH]

It must happen to you (I hope): Everybody else in the room or on the forum goes “Oh God, that’s so stupid!”… and you look around bewildered, because it seemed perfectly fine to you.

Years ago I was at a grad school seminar about sf film, and we watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture. When Voyager 6 was revealed as such, people started rolling their eyes and loudly, repeatedly going “Oh, God! Oh, God!” I know opinions have always been divided on the film, and back then the more recent reappraisals hadn’t started yet, but it felt wildly overreactive.

Less dramatically, I’ve seen the TNG scene (I forget from which episode) where Data is in temporary command, chews out Worf for objecting to a command, then tells Worf he hopes he hasn’t damaged their friendship as cringe, or at least an indication that Data doesn’t know how to deal with people. I dunno, it seemed entirely reasonable to me. (Though admittedly me not knowing how to deal with people wouldn’t be news.)

 

[1001001]

Most of Discovery.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I didn’t know the reveal behind the origins of V’Ger was considered cringeworthy… even all these years later I still think it works as a nice little twist.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

I didn’t know the reveal behind the origins of V’Ger was considered cringeworthy… even all these years later I still think it works as a nice little twist.

If an arrogant '90s wrestler can merge with the finest male film actor ever born, anything is possible.

 

[BillJ]

E Plebnista! Love “The Omega Glory”.

 

[FredH]

I didn’t know the reveal behind the origins of V’Ger was considered cringeworthy… even all these years later I still think it works as a nice little twist.

As do I — though in retrospect, if Vejur knew nothing about humanity, and therefore presumably of English, how did it (or the Machine Planet) know enough to read the visible markings on the probe as making the sound “V’Ger”?

 

[FredH]

If an arrogant '90s wrestler can merge with the finest male film actor ever born, anything is possible.

How do Hulk Hogan and Gary Oldman enter in, here?

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

As do I — though in retrospect, if Vejur knew nothing about humanity, and therefore presumably of English, how did it (or the Machine Planet) know enough to read the visible markings on the probe as making the sound “V’Ger”?

Arguable for the same reasons the first alien race to make first contact with us doesn't possess the capacity to wake the hell up by themselves unless a doctor or sadist repeatedly slaps them.

 

[FredH]

Arguable for the same reasons the first alien race to make first contact with us doesn't possess the capacity to wake the hell up by themselves unless a doctor or sadist repeatedly slaps them.

I have mornings like that all the time.

 

[Qonundrum]

As do I — though in retrospect, if Vejur knew nothing about humanity, and therefore presumably of English, how did it (or the Machine Planet) know enough to read the visible markings on the probe as making the sound “V’Ger”?

After absorbing/digitizing Epsilon 9 and the critters inside of it, it likely would have had the means to extrapolate the language. If not by Ilia's turn?

Prior to that, Voyager crashed into the big space machine thing and, upon being rebuilt by said alien machine thing, wanted to know who built it and decided it wanted to make a visit so it did a reciprocal bearing on the direction Voyager came from. Relative orbital shift of our solar system prevailing, of course, but that would be fairly small, needing thousands of years to show a palpable change. (e.g. our moon travels away from Earth at 1 inch per year, give or take. Everything else is changing relative position as well. )

One reference: https://www.halcyonmaps.com/constellations-throughout-the-ages/ Again, the time for positional change is slow, much slower than percolating that gallon of coffee every morning, but still... if nothing else, in 98000 years' time or so, the big dipper will need to be renamed so I'm going to put dibs on the new names "the big vacuum cleaner" (I know, the name sucks) or "the big pooper scooper" (at least Fido will really be happy)... never mind poor Orion, who lost his head, as if the horse he was riding on had a hankering for head cabbage or anything...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"The Way to Eden."

I reach it, it's real now!

After absorbing/digitizing Epsilon 9 and the critters inside of it, it likely would have had the means to extrapolate the language. If not by Ilia's turn?

If not before. The Klingons could probably decode it, too.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I’d forgotten that V’Ger was the result of Voyager (I or II?) crashing into something else.

For some reason, I just thought the probe itself grew.

Which makes no sense. Or less sense.

Goodness me, has it really been 20 years since I saw TMP? Need to fix that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Star Trek Into Darkness, having the Enterprise hidden underwater. Especially when they did the same in Insurrection with a giant holoship a few years earlier!

 

[BillJ]

I’d forgotten that V’Ger was the result of Voyager (I or II?) crashing into something else.

Voyager VI. NASA is far more promiscuous in the Star Trek timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

It must happen to you (I hope): Everybody else in the room or on the forum goes “Oh God, that’s so stupid!”… and you look around bewildered, because it seemed perfectly fine to you.

Years ago I was at a grad school seminar about sf film, and we watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture. When Voyager 6 was revealed as such, people started rolling their eyes and loudly, repeatedly going “Oh, God! Oh, God!” I know opinions have always been divided on the film, and back then the more recent reappraisals hadn’t started yet, but it felt wildly overreactive.

Less dramatically, I’ve seen the TNG scene (I forget from which episode) where Data is in temporary command, chews out Worf for objecting to a command, then tells Worf he hopes he hasn’t damaged their friendship as cringe, or at least an indication that Data doesn’t know how to deal with people. I dunno, it seemed entirely reasonable to me. (Though admittedly me not knowing how to deal with people wouldn’t be news.)

Anything with child actors in Trek, aside from "And the Children Shall Lead." Child actors are often cited as cringe inducing but I don't have that reaction. I put Disaster as one of my favorite episodes and Picard's interactions with the children is part of it.

Similarly, Tuvok interacting with a race that ages backwards provided some very sweet moments.

 

[B.J.]

I’d forgotten that V’Ger was the result of Voyager (I or II?) crashing into something else.

For some reason, I just thought the probe itself grew.

Which makes no sense. Or less sense.

Goodness me, has it really been 20 years since I saw TMP? Need to fix that.

The probe crashing into another would be Nomad (TOS The Changeling). This one was Voyager 6 getting modified by another race and sent on its way.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The probe crashing into another would be Nomad (TOS The Changeling). This one was Voyager 6 getting modified by another race and sent on its way.

See, I didn’t even remember that Nomad crashed into something else.

And I like that episode.

I am a shit fan of Star Trek.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Ooh, ooh, I have one. I quite like Troi’s Mom and I’m always happy to see her show up.

 

[FredH]

After absorbing/digitizing Epsilon 9 and the critters inside of it, it likely would have had the means to extrapolate the language.

…hey, wait a minute: if V’Ger absorbed Epsilon 9 and all its data, why did it have to go digging through the Enterprise’s computer for information on Earth defenses and Starfleet strength?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

…hey, wait a minute: if V’Ger absorbed Epsilon 9 and all its data, why did it have to go digging through the Enterprise’s computer for information on Earth defenses and Starfleet strength?

A space station on the frontier with the Klingon Empire a) doesn't need that info and b) isn't gonna have it. Why the Enterprise has it is somewhat of a plot hole.