Kind of how it works in fiction
‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Renewed for Fifth and Final Season
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Yeah, it was a ship full of absolute professionals that took their jobs seriously, and when they didn't, they were reprimanded for it, sometimes in front of everyone else.
Its actually one of the complaints younger viewers have about it, after seeing the camaraderie of the ensembles and "fun factor" of the later shows.
I dont agree at all. Sure their were errors. All the shows have them. But they also had 80 years between time periods so warp scales and looks of things were not as harsh and easily explained away. Much of it could be attributed to the passage of time. We have talked about this before. Lol But Disco and SNW tptb have intentionally gone out their way to do whatever they want when it concerns canon. They have made some extremely weird decisions. Some they regretted and some they just expect us to accept and they pull out the old...."ITS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY" Chestnut.
I do agree that some fans never accepted anything after TOS. But I think most fans liked the Berman Era.
Again the final season of Disco finally felt like Star Trek of old to me. A little too late perhaps but I did enjoy a whole season which I thought NEVER would happen with that show. Lol Still have issue with the series overall but I could see myself rewatching that 5th and most of the 4th season again.
Anyways for me Star Wars will always have the tighter universe when it concerns story and general looks. That is something Star Trek will never be able to take from Star Wars.
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Not all fiction. Im not saying errors don't happen or retcons on some level with many shows or movies but at this point Star Trek is one huge Retcon pretending not to be. It's as bad or worse then the Highlander films. Except I think the makers of those films would just ignore the previous entry and not pretend it was all the same continuity.
Yup. In point of fact, Star Trek has been retconning itself in similar manners pretty much since the beginning (James R Kirk, Earth conquered Vulcan, UESPA). And, not "everyone", the people telling the stories.
It's how it happens in fiction sometimes. Whether it works or not is debatable.
I think I have acknowledged this before. Of course it has. TOS has all kinds of errors. Maybe not much intentional retconning but it was still in its infancy. But I think by and large there was a certain consistency that the live action steaming shows haven't tried hard or at all to adhere to as previous shows did. They have outright changed characters and backstory to a much larger degree and we are only 85 episodes in if we don't count Picard's 30 episodes.
Is any one pretending retcons haven't happened? They've happen throughout the history of the show, We roll with it.
"Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling on to their knowledge of the minutia. Open your mind! Open your mind and say 'Where does Star Trek want to take me now?'" -- Leonard Nimoy, May 5, 2009.
Star Trek is not about the minutia.
Star Trek is not about the minutia.
So have all the new shows. Bar the main cast of Prodigy, but the actual Starfleet officers we see do.
Not really. They've added to, not changed.
Ditto to this.
And not just in Star Trek. JRR Tolkien retconned the Bilbo / Gollum scene in The Hobbit. George Lucas has retconned, well, a lot. Sometimes the same scene multiple times.
I didn't complain. I enjoyed TNG and all the Berman shows. Sure at the beginning I heard gripes about the uniforms, the ship looking nothing like the original, Picard not being as physical as Kirk/ not having hair/too old and other little quibbles. I don't remember much complaining about intentional continuity rewrites. Small errors yes. Or small retcons like during Enterprise they ignored that women could not command a starship. Otherwise the Berman era respected established continuity much better than what we had gotten from Kurtzman.
I remember that Enterprise had a bunch of complaints about the ship that was used, the look of the interior of the ship etc. Complaints that it looked too futuristic for something before TOS. Wonder what those same people think about the Kurtzman prequel shows...
Have they? We know very little of the majority of TOS's characters backstory. They're names and positions. What we do know is pepper overed 79 episodes and six movies. Sulu and Uhura took decades to get first names. We didn't know Sulu was born in San Francisco until STIV. We didn't even know he was an American!
Well I have to disagree on the added to it. Spock and Chapels open sexual relationship for example. Spock's open relationship with T'pring..a relationship the entire bridge crew on TOS was shocked at. I mean it was an outright Retcon...not just added to but literally changed.
Sure they have done it. Added Backstory that makes sense is great. Stuff that doesn't make sense not so much. Spock and Chapel. Chapel was obviously pining for Spock during TOS. Spock simply could not reciprocate that. He would not allow himself to do so. Unless of course under some type of influence. SNW (about 6-7 before TOS. Both are doing it like a pair of Rabbits all over the ship.
They were shocked that they were married.
The only person who outright said that they didn't recognize T'Pring was Uhura, so as long as the two of them never meet in Strange New Worlds, nothing about that scene is contradicted. Chapel is shocked at the proclamation that T'Pring is Spock's wife, and even with the new information we have from SNW, why wouldn't she be? She knew T'Pring as Spock's fiance, but not wife. Nowhere in Amok Time is it ever said that Spock and T'Pring had not seen each other since their bonding ceremony.
This is the first time I have ever seen anyone use Lucas retconning Greedo to shoot first as an example of why retconning is fine and normal.
I'm not saying one thing about it one way or the other, I'm just saying that it is. And we roll with it. It changes absolutely nothing of relevance about the story.
I mean early TNG is just, well, yeah. Season 3 onwards is a good time at least. Perhaps that speaks to the strength of SNW it can be different things to different viewers and satisfy a range of audiences. I find TOS is basically all about Kirk, SNW feels more like every other series that came after in the way that it's bigger than just one person. Arguably Discovery is the closest to TOS with having a much more central protagonist but even then that has several well developed characters which TOS struggled with.
The less said about that book that declared he was Haiwaiian and had a brother named Kamehameha.
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