Nope. Concern for fellow crew she's not involved with vs. whining about a personal relationship on-duty.
What do you think about people "Shipping" Kirk and Spock?
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You do you.
You're the one who can't let go of someone not liking the same movie you like. It's been 16 years. In all this time I have only criticized the movie, the actors, the writers, the rest of the production team. At no time have I levied personal criticism at you.
It's long past time that you reciprocated.
Who said you did? Same time, I leveled no “personal criticism” at you. You seem to be the one carrying a grudge, because honestly, I can’t remember having any bad interactions with you over those movies.
It has been almost ten years since Beyond released.
I'm not sure why you're responding like I said we would be able to tell Kirk and Spock were gay just by looking at them. I am saying that if they were meant to be gay, the writers would have shown that.
I know, it was the 60's, they wouldn't have openly shown two gay men in a relationship. But that in itself answers the question, right? In the 1960's there's no way anyone had any intention that Kirk and Spock were gay or in any way attracted to each other.
If the producers did have such an inclination, they wouldn't have gone out of their way to show us the wife and past girlfriend of Spock and the many past girlfriends of Kirk not to mention the many women they each are attracted to during the course of the show. After seeing them each attracted to a number of women with nary a hint of any such attraction to any men for either of them, I'm suddenly supposed to imagine that they are in love with each other?
If I had time to review certain threads from back then, it would be obvious that there were bad interactions. Not as bad as a couple of others, but still enough that it's been annoying.
Anyway, 'shipping. My advice to people who are upset at their favorite characters being depicted one way instead of another way is just assume that they fall into the "B" category of "LGBT". It solves a lot of fanfiction issues, at least where my reading material is concerned. As long as it's an interesting story and anything too explicit can just be skimmed over, it's fine.
The thing is that nobody is forcing you to imagine them in whatever way you don't want to. But at the same time, you don't get to decide how other people want to imagine them.
I never cared one way or the other. I figure people are going to 'ship characters if they're so inclined. If I agree with the pairing, I'll read the story. If not, it depends.
Like many fans, I have my own stories in my head and I'll "canonize" and "decanonize" things I like and dislike. But that's my imagination and no one else's. It's the same with "shipping." It's all make-believe and should be fun but if people start fighting over it, they need to take Shatner's SNL advice to heart.
Like many fans, I have my own stories in my head and I'll "canonize" and "decanonize" things I like and dislike. But that's my imagination and no one else's. It's the same with "shipping." It's all make-believe and should be fun but if people start fighting over it, they need to take Shatner's SNL advice to heart.
In the 60's they didn't have any intention either that all the storylines from SNW happened a few years before. And yet fans have no problem accepting that, right? It's called expanding the characters' backgrounds. What do we know about Kirk's years in the Academy? Why couldn't he have had a boyfriend among his many girlfriends?
It contradicts absolutely nothing. Canon-breaking is not the real reason why fandom is so hostile to the idea.
I haven't seen a survey but I know the percentage of people who accept that is not 100%.
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Because a 100% acceptance happens almost never, for anything. But in general SNW has been well-received, despite not being a carbon copy of 60's TOS.
fast forward to 2:58 of this movie clip
Boy, I wish I had seen that in the theater. The 11-footer on the big screen, what a moment. But then of course, I never saw an episode projected at a con or special showing, and a lot of people did.
I haven't go to the theater for over 30+ yr. But it's been so long since I saw the above movie. He's very good.
The first thing I said in this thread was people are free to have whatever they want in their headcanon. It's when they try to say it's canon is when I argue.
If we were told he had a boyfriend, that would be canon, and it would be so. We haven't been told that, so saying it is fanfiction/headcanon.
I have many problems with the canon-breaking in SNW so much so I don't consider it in continuity with TOS. I do like the show, though.
There's not a lot in the spinoffs that actually is in the same continuity as TOS. DiscoTrek sure isn't. Neither is Enterprise. Some parts of TNG just ignored it.
The way it looks to me is that DiscoTrek and its companion show - SNW? - are part of the same continuity as Enterprise, and then leapfrogged over TOS and latched onto TNG.
The way it looks to me is that DiscoTrek and its companion show - SNW? - are part of the same continuity as Enterprise, and then leapfrogged over TOS and latched onto TNG.
Vulcanian Science Officer Spock approved this time warp barrier breaking to jump TOS.
It's strange how relationships of all kinds especially heterosexual ones in the sixties were frowned upon and nixed. The one that comes to mind was Professor John Robinson and his wife Maureen in Lost in Space and how, even though married as characters were told not to even touch in later episodes of the series!!! Bizarre to say the least as showing the three children their parents loved each other was good for them and us the viewers.
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So, I don't know about anyone else but I like the action adventure stories to involve both action and adventure, generally things I cannot see in real life, especially in a science fiction show with rocket ships and ray guns.
Romances are a dime a dozen. They are neither action nor adventure to me. So, not having those elements bothers me very little.
Romances are a dime a dozen. They are neither action nor adventure to me. So, not having those elements bothers me very little.
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