Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Keeping large amounts of armed explosives around one's place of work is a decidedly unsafe practice. One power surge, one faulty trigger circuit, one nesting duracrete slug, or overly curious conduit worm, and there goes the whole building!
Besides, I think Luthen genuinely values his pieces, and wouldn't want to destroy them with a needless act of spite. Killing Dedra at that point wouldn't have mattered much either way. Indeed, dying on her watch pretty much guarantees that the Empire would do the job for him anyway.
I think people are rather dramatically overestimating Wilmon's involvement and influence with Saw. Based on what we've seen, he hasn't been with the Partisans for at least a year, probably more. Plus in the last arc he was very much Luthen's man before being sent to Ghorman.
Anyway, contacting Saw isn't the problem. We literally see Mon talking with him on Jedah via hologram from Yavin. The problem is getting him to listen and cooperate. Two things he's always been reticent to entertain. That's why they needed Jyn; she was practically his daughter and thus the only one with a real chance at reaching him.
From what I gather, the original pitch for the show (under different show runners, before Gilroy was brought in) was basically "The Adventures of Andor & K-2". Thankfully, Lucasfilm pivoted to something far more compelling.
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Well, wookieepedia is one thing, but that was never mentioned in Rogue One or at any point in Andor.
Thank you for the warning, because it looks as if I will become increasingly weary of the excessive praise.
And I have come across a lot of comments online, claiming "Andor" is a flawless masterpiece or the best Star Wars production. Too much, in my opinion.
Amazing piece of television - let alone Star Wars. The way the final arc weaved its way into the lead-up to Rogue One really is 'chef's kiss' - totally seamless and organic.
As a show... it compelling masterpiece - and stands right up there with the quality (and longevity) of the OT.
Like the OT it also had that vital ingredient - something often overlooked - a message and story that resonates.
I could use all the adjectives... though it was simply superb tv across the board in every department. Credit and kudos to everyone involved in making this.
So pleasing to see overwhelming positive reviews, reactions, and online content about Star Wars, too.
The use of The Force in the series, too (S02E07)...
'Andor Introduced The Force, And It Was Stunning' - a 5 minute video from the Spaceman youtube channel...
As a show... it compelling masterpiece - and stands right up there with the quality (and longevity) of the OT.
Like the OT it also had that vital ingredient - something often overlooked - a message and story that resonates.
I could use all the adjectives... though it was simply superb tv across the board in every department. Credit and kudos to everyone involved in making this.
So pleasing to see overwhelming positive reviews, reactions, and online content about Star Wars, too.
The use of The Force in the series, too (S02E07)...
'Andor Introduced The Force, And It Was Stunning' - a 5 minute video from the Spaceman youtube channel...
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I'm wondering if Blevin's actor was unavailable or they just decided his character had no purpose anymore. Blevin having Lagret's arc probably would have formed a more connective tissue with Season 1, but ultimately Lagret despite his ineptitude made that final suicide scene with Partagaz work with the right level of dignity and sadness whereas Blevin's character wouldn't be seen as anything but gloating in the same situation (even if Blevin's actor doesn't play him that way in that scene, mainly because how Blevin was already established)
Ugh. Well, no.
First of all, we're not talking about someone in the real world, we're talking about a character, a popular character that people love to hate. If they want to bring her back, they'll bring her back. If they bring her back, it won't be for us to watch her do prison labor, at least not for very long. If they don't want to bring her back, well, honestly, I'll be disappointed, but so be it.
Second of all, by comparison with the real world, plenty of SS got off with relatively light sentences, especially if they weren't high ranking and didn't get their hands dirty directly.
Dedra was not a high-ranking officer. She was a mid-level cog in the Imperial machine who was bypassed and sidelined. She also hesitated to relay the order to proceed with the Ghorman Massacre. Personally, I think she had no choice; as I've opined already that was out of her hands. We have no idea how repentant down the road she will be—or, more to the point, appear—to New Republicans who might review her case in the aftermath of the collapse of the Empire. We know from the other shows that the New Republic will have a bleeding heart that trusts former Imperials too much and enables them to rot the New Republic from the inside. Her case might even be reviewed by Imperial sympathizers who are a part of that rot. We have no idea whether characters like Kleya will be available to testify against her.
Or she could escape or be broken out by Imperial remnants.
This character is done only if The Powers That Be want her to be done. At this particular point, her future is wide open.
If Krennic, Vader, etc. actually legit think that Dedra is a Rebel spy, why aren't they torturing her for info like where the Rebel base is? Vader especially after a few hours of torturing her would probably realize through the Force that she doesn't actually know anything and is only guilty of being a moron, not a spy.
Who's to say they didn't?
I only saw 10&11 so far but HOLY FUCK, Kleya is awesome!
I think the show does a great job of showing her as a tactician, and as Luthen's deputy, but also as a vulnerable human. We needed better character development and she delivered.
I'm already loving K2. Kudos to Allen Tudyk!
I think the show does a great job of showing her as a tactician, and as Luthen's deputy, but also as a vulnerable human. We needed better character development and she delivered.
I'm already loving K2. Kudos to Allen Tudyk!
Well that's two strikes right there!
She was a supervisor in charge of ISB operations across whole sectors; two rungs down from Yularen himself and both masterminded and executed the Ghorman Massacre under the direct auspices of Director Krennic. She was hardly some mid-level nobody. A cog, yes; insofar as everyone in the Empire was a cog for Palpatine's purposes. The point was is that she was a willing cog. Eager, even!
The New Republic War Crimes Tribunal would like to see even a shred of evidence for this. If you could kindly forward it through the appropriate channels, I'm sure they'll take it into consideration!
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You are entitled to your opinion of course. It's not flawless but for many the best Star Wars in a very long time.
Not really. The tactical officers masterminded and executed the massacre, starting with the false flag move. Dedra conceived of the idea of covertly fostering a rebellion on Ghorman as a way of generating sympathy for the Imperials.
Sorry, I forgot to mention Agent Kallus as an example of an Imperial with blood on his hands, and former ISB at that, who turned to work for the Rebellion and was accepted as a Rebel.
Again, I'm not saying that they will bring Dedra back, only that it's not out of the question, and there are a variety of plausible scenarios where she could end up working for any side, even while duplicitous.
They seem to be pretty mild considering Han thought Kylo coming back home with him was actually an option and even Hux didn't seem to mind being a New Republic spy and help the NR win even after he, you know, ordered the destruction of Hosnian.The New Republic War Crimes Tribunal would like to see even a shred of evidence for this. If you could kindly forward it through the appropriate channels, I'm sure they'll take it into consideration!
I applaud you for getting the evidence faster than I do. The NR seem more open about reforming villains than even the X-Men (I've lost count of what they've let Magneto get away with by now).
Lagret seemed to respect him and showed sadness at Partagzes passing
There properly was also the realisation that one day that could be him and hoping people would show him the dignity and respect of falling on one's own sword rather than whatever horrid fate the upper echelons of the empire might cook up for him.
People keep calling partagaz a cowardly but if the choice is a quick blaster bolt to the head or facing a pissed of palpatine to explain why you done fucked up when 99.99% of us I think will pick the blaster.
To be honest Kallus and everything besides the Andor/Rogue One cocoon is operating on general Disney Star Wars levels, i.e. not too deep or mature depictions of violence and this makes a redemption of Kallus possible.
With Andor the Imperials are so deeply despicable and the consequences of their actions are shown without any filter that it would feel wrong to have Dedra offered the same courtesy. It wouldn't be impossible but it would have taken much more time than the show had if they were willing to give her that chance.
Star Wars: Dirty Dozen, coming to Disney+ in 2030. 
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Anyway, I think overall Andor has been exceptional.
Kleya's choice to go into the hospital was interesting. She prioritized protecting the Rebellion over forwarding the intel, and that was probably the correct choice. It was great to learn that she was an exceptional badass, with a capable strategic and tactical skill set.
Learning more about the mission Luthen was on when he rescued her is probably coming down the pike in some form. Sounds like his people where committing their own massacre.
Really a lot to talk about. But I'll summarize by saying that, despite some problems, overall it's been outstanding. I'm very sorry to see it end.
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Anyway, I think overall Andor has been exceptional.
Kleya's choice to go into the hospital was interesting. She prioritized protecting the Rebellion over forwarding the intel, and that was probably the correct choice. It was great to learn that she was an exceptional badass, with a capable strategic and tactical skill set.
Learning more about the mission Luthen was on when he rescued her is probably coming down the pike in some form. Sounds like his people where committing their own massacre.
Really a lot to talk about. But I'll summarize by saying that, despite some problems, overall it's been outstanding. I'm very sorry to see it end.
Yes, because you're totally unfamiliar with hyperbole.
There's a whole comic that ends with Vader joining the good guys and appearing in white armor.
There always seems to be room for redemption. Though Marvel did it with Loki so who knows.
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