Spoilers Andor - Season 2
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Sure but it was still teeming with Imperials and a single misstep, a soldier appearing in her back, a missed shot, basically anything could have jeopardized the mission. If she had failed Luthen might have survived and everybody breaks at some point if tortured enough ( especially with science fiction advanced interrogation/torture droids) and he would have revealed all, chief amongst it the base on Yavin, which would have been the end of the rebellion ( for now at least).
This is what made it tense and on top of it she was on her way to mercy kill her father both to spare him from a gruesome end but also to safeguard his secrets. That was a brutal setup and just par for the course in this show where people have to constantly make hard calls and pay the price for it.
…a bunch of whom her bombing undoubtedly killed. I recognize the context, but I hope I’m not the only one who has a problem with that.
I'm not saying it was in any way easy, just putting things into perspective. That they assumed it was the work of the three person strike team certainly speaks volumes for her determination, skill, and sheer nerve. However one cannot discount the fact that the ISB's disorganised haste, the choice of a private civilian facility, and the leadership's focus on finger-pointing in the midst of all of this was a major contributing factor to her success.
Just to be clear; I consider all of that to be a good thing. I like that they didn't strain credibility by having her suddenly turn into a Jedi Ninja Assassin breaking into Space Fort Knox. They set the stakes and conditions perfectly.
Indeed, Imperial arrogance and operational complacency has consistently been a recurring theme of this whole series; from Cassian's theft of the star-path unit, to the Aldani heist, and all the way to Scarif itself!
I'd say I doubt civvies were allowed to just mill around a bunch of parked ISB speeders, but then she got those slap charges onto them somehow, so they couldn't have been all that secure . . .
That's the nature of asymmetrical warfare.
What a lovely closing tribute to the whole show. I definitely cried when they reflected on all of those people who died along the way and how their passing affects those who are still fighting.
Well crap, just as i was recovering from the end of the show the Internet is throwing this at me and i'm again
(with a smile of course - if a show can make me feel anything as close as to what Andor made me feel over two seasons it did something right)
According to Wookieepedia, the Death Star was moved from Geonosis to Scarif around 9 BBY for the later phases of construction, to include the completion of the superlaser.
It also seems to be where Krennic has set up his base of operations.
I finally watched the entire Season Two on my own. Um . . . my feelings about it are the same as my feelings for Season One. I thought it was pretty good, but flawed. I had issues with the pacing - especially in the first half, the handling of the Syril Karn character and what seems to be to me is the series' confusing premise. Is this show about Cassian Andor, Mon Mothma or just the Rebel Alliance? If the latter, why call it "ANDOR"? Also, the positive spin that surrounds this show never seems to end. I find it over-exaggerated and not completely earned. It's almost a miracle that I actually like "Andor", because I do get tired of people acting like it's the greatest thing within the Star Wars franchise, let alone the Disney-Lucasfilm content. Like I have said, I think it's a pretty good show . . . WITH FLAWS. Unfortunately, so many critics are still unwilling to face or acknowledge these flaws. Thankfully,. there are people out there who are willing to do so, while still liking the show.
How incredibly vague . . . and very appropriate.
How incredibly vague . . . and very appropriate.
Guessing an early imperial army uniform
The belt was similar to those worn by both republic and imperial officers
The guy who came in looking for him had army armour on
Wll then be prepared to be tired for a long time because it seems most people really like it and think it is the best Star Wars to come out of the Disney era and that includes me.
Nobody said it was a flawless masterpiece, the first chapter of the second season had me mostly confused and in some parts even turned off but past that each chapter got better and better. It doesn't reach the height of the brilliance that was the first season but then we are compraring 10s and 9s.
Why would having flaws prevent it from being the greatest Star Wars series?
I think the only nitpick I would have would be the showed stormtrooper armor far earlier than it probably should have appeared. But this is the kind of place where we nitpick that kind of stuff.
The fact that Luthen didn’t go out in ablaze of glory, shouting his message before getting cut down by imperials or with a bomb was clever. Dying pretty much alone on a hospital bed was a good way to flip expectations. I certainly expected him to go, but not like that. Same with Dedra, fully expected she’d go over the limit and wire get killed in action or as punishment. Denying her that and sending her off to some labor prison is the ultimate indignity to someone like herself.
I do hope they do another show with Kleya and Cinta, two female characters that deserve a show of their own. Continuing the theme of espionage and politics leading up to Endor and you have a really cool show
The fact that Luthen didn’t go out in ablaze of glory, shouting his message before getting cut down by imperials or with a bomb was clever. Dying pretty much alone on a hospital bed was a good way to flip expectations. I certainly expected him to go, but not like that. Same with Dedra, fully expected she’d go over the limit and wire get killed in action or as punishment. Denying her that and sending her off to some labor prison is the ultimate indignity to someone like herself.
I do hope they do another show with Kleya and Cinta, two female characters that deserve a show of their own. Continuing the theme of espionage and politics leading up to Endor and you have a really cool show
Okay . . .
1. Didn't love Luthen's fate. After all that time, he couldn't have blown the shop, himself, and Dedra along with it? At least two of those artifacts should have been big explosives. Enjoyed the little interplay between Luthen and Dedra before she pulled the burned component. Neither one was fooling the other.
2. Luthen's fate, while a little lame, gave Kleya her chance to shine. I think this was a genuine case of someone originally conceived as something of a background character gradually moving to center stage.
3. We got just the right amount of K2 there.
4. I'm glad some of them survived. Wilmon is a bit of a plot hole- couldn't they have used him to contact Saw? But Vel survived, and Kleya, and Bix, and how knows what is in store for them. As I posted above, Dedra actually survived too, and I think her fate is fitting, and actually worse than death.
5. The absence of the Emperor and Vader here is totally fitting. The former is a phantom menace. The latter does eventually turn up, when things have finally gotten totally out of hand for the Empire and it has spun out of Krennic's control. It's fitting that we don't see Vader until the very end, in Rogue One.
Overall, I really enjoyed this. Was it the best SW ever? I'm not necessarily willing to go that far. And full disclosure, when they announced this series back in the day, I was one of the naysayers who said: "What the hell do we need a series about Andor for, we already know how it ends for him." Boy was I wrong.
1. Didn't love Luthen's fate. After all that time, he couldn't have blown the shop, himself, and Dedra along with it? At least two of those artifacts should have been big explosives. Enjoyed the little interplay between Luthen and Dedra before she pulled the burned component. Neither one was fooling the other.
2. Luthen's fate, while a little lame, gave Kleya her chance to shine. I think this was a genuine case of someone originally conceived as something of a background character gradually moving to center stage.
3. We got just the right amount of K2 there.
4. I'm glad some of them survived. Wilmon is a bit of a plot hole- couldn't they have used him to contact Saw? But Vel survived, and Kleya, and Bix, and how knows what is in store for them. As I posted above, Dedra actually survived too, and I think her fate is fitting, and actually worse than death.
5. The absence of the Emperor and Vader here is totally fitting. The former is a phantom menace. The latter does eventually turn up, when things have finally gotten totally out of hand for the Empire and it has spun out of Krennic's control. It's fitting that we don't see Vader until the very end, in Rogue One.
Overall, I really enjoyed this. Was it the best SW ever? I'm not necessarily willing to go that far. And full disclosure, when they announced this series back in the day, I was one of the naysayers who said: "What the hell do we need a series about Andor for, we already know how it ends for him." Boy was I wrong.
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The original title, "Andor & Friends" made test audiences think it was a children's show.
Cinta died on Ghorman before the massacre, when the weapon heist went sideways and one of the Ghorman's came armed and accidentally shot her.
For his character it seemed fitting, as bad as it sounds. He always knew he would end badly, without people close by and no medals or public acknowledgement because that's not where he operated. He was in deep cover, almost as ruthless as any Imperial, living shoulder to shoulder with Imperials that if they knew would have him tortured to death.
He gave up any kind of joy in life to become a monster to fight other monsters so his death, alone and without glory, seemed fitting to me and a statement to how much one person can go and endure so others don't have to.
As to some kind of explosive in his shop i think it would have been too risky. We have sensors today that can detect explosives and not to mention trained dogs that can sniff these out, so he couldn't risk anything that a scan could reveal would be out of place in the public area of an antiques dealership. His secret comms unit and gear room in the back was risky enough but no one went there fortunately. In the end it may have been a more logical and effective way to ensure he leaves no trace by planting a powerful bomb in his shop but the show was not usually about these big explosions.
Kleya was always fascinating but up until the end just another rebel supporting Luthen. I love that they expanded her and in the process also gave Luthen more backstory, which led to some of the most intense scenes of this season. Anyone who ever played a well made stealth level in a game knows how intense that can get.
He's Thrawn before Thrawn became self-righteous ("I'm doing it all for my people") and before he became a literal cartoon villain punching bag (all of Thrawn's appearances in Rebels). Partagaz is also smart without being an unrealistic supergenius (TM) about it (which Thrawn sort of is sometimes)--he's on top of things but when things go bad it really is more or less due to circumstances outside his control.
Sorry my bad, I meant Vel
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