Spoilers Andor - Season 2

[Tuskin38]

He’s lucky he wasn’t shot in the square

 

[Nerys Myk]

He’s lucky he wasn’t shot in the square

Had a charmed journey from the HQ to the cafe.

 

[FPAlpha]

Droids in Star Wars have always perplexed me. Some, like C3PO, seem fully sentient. While others, like the KX type, are just blunt instruments with limited programing. I suppose the KX from Ghorman might have some files specific to the massacre. Perhaps visual ones.

3PO was/is a protocol droid, working very closely with people and so has to be able to be personal and carry a conversation if necessary.

The KX series were security/combat droids - no need to be polite or accommodating in that line of work.

 

[Nerys Myk]

3PO was/is a protocol droid, working very closely with people and so has to be able to be personal and carry a conversation if necessary.

The KX series were security/combat droids - no need to be polite or accommodating in that line of work.

All seem to have the potential. KX to K2 for example.

 

[fireproof78]

K2 is a matter of life and death.

https://www.amazon.com/K2-Death-Worlds-Dangerous-Mountain/dp/0767932609

 

[FPAlpha]

All seem to have the potential. KX to K2 for example.

Of course, a program is a program but why bother with a security droid?

"Realistically" the software is probably capable of handling both but the users ( the Empire) just left it in intimidate/combat mode because that's what they needed. The Rebels just changed the switch or installed NiceBot v24.3 after they made a hard reset.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Of course, a program is a program but why bother with a security droid?

"Realistically" the software is probably capable of handling both but the users ( the Empire) just left it in intimidate/combat mode because that's what they needed. The Rebels just changed the switch or installed NiceBot v24.3 after they made a hard reset.

Not sure about "NiceBot".

 

[Yistaan]

Perrin: Mon! I've been trying to reach you for weeks! You left Leida and I in quite the bind with your revolutionary activities. Stekan ditched Leida immediately after your speech and we've been on the run. Where should we go?

Mon: Get yourselves to Alderaan, Bail Organa's people will take care of you both.

Perrin: Will do.

(on Alderaan)

Bail Organa: How could my team possibly have been compromised? I'm sure it wouldn't have anything to do with that conspicuous business with Kenobi and Leia some years back. We should've hired that overpowered Force user to escort Mon, not that obvious ISB plant, whatshisname--Galen Starkiller or something like that.

(on Coruscant)

Kleya: Your Highness, what an incredible honor and surprise to see you here! How may we serve you?

Emperor: Curator Rael is to be transferred to my citadel on Exegol immediately as director of archaeology on Sith artifacts and to evaluate my collection from worlds such as Moraband, Dromund Kaas, Ziost, and Malachor. And Lehon of course.

Luthen: Your highness, this is a great honor, too great and I would be inadequate. I must decline and instead recommend--

Emperor: Oh no, I insist.

(the Emperor's Royal Guard drag Luthen away and they leave with the Emperor)

Kleya: Cassian, I'm sorry the Empire got Luthen. Oh and by the way, I'm your sister.

(later on Mina-Rau)

Bix: What did you say B2EMO? You sliced into restricted holonet files and found out that Cassian died on Scarif? Gee, that's too bad.

(smiles at a hunky passerby played by Adria Arjona's real life boyfriend Jason Momoa in a cameo)

 

[C.E. Evans]

Luke was one of the only characters to ever treat droids like actual people. Leia and Han, for instance, treated 3P0 like crap.

Han did take Threepio with him on the Falcon in ESB, when he could have easily left him behind on Hoth twice. It seemed that Han did consider Threepio a person, albeit a frequently annoying one.

3PO can be quite trying,

I'm sure there are some people who wish humans had off-switches...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Lest I forget, in between those shattering moments, was Mon Mothma's grand moment. Even they we knew how it would play out, I did like the added drama about how we could trust Bail Organa's team when we knew from Rebels that his team was the one that delivered her to the Ghost crew. Could Luthen still be trusted or was he full of shit about Organa? Perhaps a little bit of unnecessary tension but I enjoyed watching it play out into its natural conclusion, complete with her ISB stooge of a driver finding himself on the wrong end of Cassian's blaster. Plus, it allowed us to revisit Cassian's lovely Blade Runner apartment one last time!

I just rewatched "Secret Cargo," and I do not believe that the boldfaced is necessitated by the episode. In the teaser, what Hera says is that Senator Organa wants Hera to refuel the vessels they are rendezvousing with and to ensure that they get where they're going. That's all. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's any team of Organa's that they are rendezvousing with. According to Wookieepedia, the ship escorted by Gold Squadron is Mon Montha's personal shuttle, the Chandrila Mistress.

Oh, and one other detail about the episode. At the end, that's Bail Organa with General Dodonna at a Rebel base that looks like it could be Yavin Base, but could be practically any other Rebel base as well, listening to Mothma's speech at Dantooine. That's actually confusing, because, in Andor, Organa said that he was staying behind at Coruscant. Maybe Bail changed his mind after his team proved to be infiltrated, and decided to amscray for a while?

 

[Yistaan]

Han did take Threepio with him on the Falcon in ESB, when he could have easily left him behind on Hoth twice. It seemed that Han did consider Threepio a person, albeit a frequently annoying one.

I'm sure there are some people who wish humans had off-switches...

Leia also panicked upon realizing Threepio was missing and Han offered to ask Lando to fix him (doesn't quite fit with Solos revelation that Lando was unable to fix his own droid)

 

[Crewman6]

Leia also panicked upon realizing Threepio was missing and Han offered to ask Lando to fix him (doesn't quite fit with Solos revelation that Lando was unable to fix his own droid)

He wasn't going to ask Lando to fix him, he was going to ask Lando to have "his people" fix him. Lando ran an entire friggin' city, he had plenty of techs on his payroll.

 

[Yistaan]

So now that we know that the Ghorman senator was arrested for no legal reason at all, how was Bail NOT arrested behind the scenes of ANH? It was already shaky way back in 1977 to be honest that Tarkin blew him up without even trying to interrogate him but now with what we've seen about the Empire it makes even less sense.

Of course, maybe they will retcon his death and bring Bratt back as Organa with the handwave that he spent the entire original trilogy in a Coruscant prison or something...

 

[Newt]

Eh, can't imagine your garden-variety security droid would have much in the way of "intelligence files."

If I remember correctly K2SO states his speciality to be strategic analysis.

I assumed the reasoning Andor took him was for evidence of the ghorman slaughter.
For him becoming Andor's new bestie we may have to wait and see in the next time jump how that pans out. We the audience know he's a useful asset but I'm assuming by episode ten the characters won't be that trusting yet.

 

[Newt]

So now that we know that the Ghorman senator was arrested for no legal reason at all, how was Bail NOT arrested behind the scenes of ANH? It was already shaky way back in 1977 to be honest that Tarkin blew him up without even trying to interrogate him but now with what we've seen about the Empire it makes even less sense.

I'm sure the Empire have fabricated something on the Ghorman senator. Think they're taken from real world events of Nazi Germany. The Third Reich was know to send their political enemies to the death camps.

I think by the time of new hope Bail Organa would defiantly have an arrest warrant. But with the Death Star fully operational and Princess Leia taken as a political prisoner, Tarkin believed he'd get what intelligence out of Leia as she was the now senator of Alderaan and caught red handed in rebel activities. Tarkin had no hesitation in killing Bail Organa along with every living being on Alderaan.
And when he found Leia lied about the location of the rebel base, he had no problem about having her executed too.
If Star Wars ANH is taking from Nazi Germany, Tarkin and the death star are the same as the high ranking Nazi's and the concentration camps. Just like what happened in real life these people in charge have no regard in human life, they now consider political enemies undesirables. And scapegoating is common place. Giving the military free reign to enforce their order as they see fit.

 

[FredH]

One of the last things Cassian's adoptive mother said to him was to stop looking for his sister, because she didn't survive. Now, in a different show, that would be a cue to expect her to show up alive, but on this show? I definitely felt like that was the end of that thread. I think that case is closed.

Probably — but it would be a bit of a shock if his sister turned out to be

Spoiler: probably not, though it’d be major

Dedra. Especially if Cassian still ended up killing her.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

One of the last things Cassian's adoptive mother said to him was to stop looking for his sister, because she didn't survive. Now, in a different show, that would be a cue to expect her to show up alive, but on this show? I definitely felt like that was the end of that thread. I think that case is closed.

It's obviously Bix
This is Star Wars after all

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I don't agree that it's that simple. If only because being a pawn was normalized behavior for Syril, given his relationships with Eedy and Dedra.

No, the issue is that Syril BELIEVED. He genuinely and truly believed in the Empire. So used to order and routine and answering to expectations not his own, Syril never saw the evil in the system. He saw law, order, peace and prosperity. He's very black and white. He saw justice. Syril CRAVES justice. He wants to be the hero of the story.

Ghorman is a lesson for Syril. He spends time with the Ghorman Front. He sees their humanity. Their hopes, their dreams. He KNOWS they are good people at heart. And recall, as far as he us concerned he isn't betraying them, he's looking for the outside agitators that are stirring them up. Syril probably convinced himself that without that influence, the Ghorman Front would return to peaceful protest or even calm down all together, with the force "manufacturing" their discontent removed.

But when he realizes what is about to happen in Palmo Plaza the truth of the Empire, and of Dedra, is laid bare before him. Yes, he was lied to. His faith in Imperial justice used. But he now has to confront that the entire system is evil. At last he breaks through and sees the tyranny he's been blind to.

And so his whole world crumbles. He's lost his love, his faith, and knows he played a key role in what becomes mass murder. He knows, suddenly and irrevocably, that he has been the villain. I can't even imagine what that feels like to someone as rigid and regimented as Syril.

Playing spy was also "the greatest day of his life". Being a pawn after believing he was a key protagonist clearly hit him hard.

Amazing scene too when he chokes Deedra. The look of true fear she had when she saw the loyal puppy had been kicked once too often. The acting was scarily real.

 

[Saul]

I wonder if one of the last scenes of the series will be Bix standing on Scarif after the events of Rogue one...

The last three episodes were fantastic, the only thing that might have made them better would be if the series had more episodes and went on longer. It would have made the scenes between Andor and Syril have even more weight behind them and it would be even more dramatic if the events to the Ghorman Massacre were built up over the course of one season instead of three episodes.

I think Syril got the ending he deserved and Andor not knowing who he was became the icing on the cake for the character.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

B2
Cassian's sister (will they ever revisit that thread?)
Kino Loy
Nemik's manifesto
Lonnie
Perrin/Leida
Yularen

I wouldn't put it past the Empire to have gone after Mon Mothma's family after she escaped, and for Jung's involvement in it after he helped her escape by reporting on the ISB agent in Bail's team, and presumably helping keep the broadcast of her speech. But I find it unlikely we'll see that mentioned on screen.

Personally, I'm more interested in seeing more of the rebellion and other rebels we haven't met yet on Yavin IV, but in particular, a view of the wider rebellion as such as opposed to someone in particular. Especially now that Andor will have hopefully emancipated himself from Luthen, and the organisation is kicking in. It only makes sense this includes Nemik's manifesto making rounds in it, since it would be a weird thread to abandon if they referenced the “rebellions are built on hope” from Rogue One, so now in effect Rogue One back-references words that are more minor in both the show, and Andor's life, and given that Vel is also with us as one of the Aldhani rebels, and she's close to the to-be leader of the rebels.

I'm hoping we see some Bothans. And the more of Gold Squadron.

Loy's dead.

I wonder if one of the last scenes of the series will be Bix standing on Scarif after the events of Rogue one...

That's a sense I got in the sadness I found in Bix's message. That we'll get a very short epilogue scene set after Rogue One somehow.

Probably — but it would be a bit of a shock if his sister turned out to be

Spoiler: probably not, though it’d be major

Dedra. Especially if Cassian still ended up killing her.

She's not the same ethnicity, or otherwise share any resemblance, and a shock reveal that seems unlike the show, but if they follow up in on his sister in any way, it will be something of a similar weight, I'd imagine.