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Spoilers Andor - Season 2

So they didn’t have Mon do the Rebels speech, but maybe the speech they said she was doing off screen was it.

Or maybe that’s just referring to the speech she makes at the end of that rebels episode and they just retconned her first one

They did reference the other events of Secret Cargo, by mentioning gold squadron would be escorting her, which they did in that episode.
 
More good stuff.

Well, Mon's on the run, Syril is dead, and have we seen the last of Dedra?

I was expecting a little more out of Luthen these eps. Kleya is sort of taking over his role, it seems like.

So they just drop the whole fuel-sniffing thing with Wilmon?

Bix is in the wind, which may mean a follow-up of some sort using her-provided she survives. Jury is still out on that. Does anyone know if she and Cassian are actually married at this point or not?

Props to the original actress, but would anyone else like to see Genevieve O'Reilly magicked into ROTJ? This is pretty much her role now, and has been since the deleted scenes in EP III.

Mon's husband was conspicuously absent this time around. I'm guessing we've probably seen the last of her family at this point.

I like how Mon actually had to run for it, literally, with Cassian shooting mofos who got in the way. I'm not sure how Bail gets clear of this, although we know ultimately, he doesn't.

Starting to see some familiar faces from Rogue-1. I missed the connection between Vel, the blaster, and the guy in the back who raised his hand about it, although he looked familiar.

Speaking of blasters, we got to see the Bryar expanded into a rifle- something it was canonically supposed to be able to do. Quite cool. Love that gun! Andor is pretty quick on the draw, too. Maybe not as fast as Han, but fast enough.

Love the singing during the end credits of the second episode. Haunting stuff.

Alright! I'm ready to see how this wraps and then go re-watch Rogue-1.
 
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I just finished watching Secret Cargo after binging the three Andor episodes and it's a good enough of a fit for me. I'm pretty sure that second speech is reference to the speech that gathers the fleet in Secret Cargo. Although, I'm not sure where Bail is supposed to be when we see him during Mon's speech at the end of the episode.
 
I'm not sure what broke my heart more.

The sheer intensity of the Ghorman Massacre, no matter how preordained, no matter how orchestrated.

OR

Bix's decision to leave Cassian in order to force him to become the leader the Rebellion desperately needed him to be, all hanging on the promise to reunite when the war is over, when we all know Cassian does not survive.

I'll start with the more visceral devastation. Despite its destiny to suffer such a calamity, watching and feeling the slow mounting tension on Ghorman was riveting. From ISB carefully maneuvering the final pieces into place to Syril profoundly realizing the awful truth and his severe repudiation against Dedra. To Cassian and Wilmon arriving exactly at the wrong time to carry out a desperate act of vengeance thinly disguised as a tactical mission. To the Ghorman Resistance tearing each apart while trying to plan their next doomed attempt to strike the Empire. All leading to Dedra's forces opening up the town plaza to lure everyone into a trap so obvious that no one cared to listen to the hopeless pleas from their leader. Because the only thing everyone wants to do now was fight. Even if it meant to a quick grave.

But what truly resonated during those scenes was watching the Ghorman citizens peacefully protesting, going from righteous chants to patriotic singing. All while a pitiful riot squad was sent out to unavoidable provocation, especially as snipers lurked from the rooftops, ready to strike down their own soldiers in order to provoke violence that was barely held back from both sides. What made watching this play out truly wrenching was knowing how much this paralleled reality and what makes me fear for the near future in our own country (that's all say on that count). What followed was horribly one-sided, despite how much the Resistance prepared with guns and Molotov cocktails and even a few smuggled-in blasters. They were never going to win that battle. This played out exactly how ISB wanted.

The only surprising part was how Syril fared. For a brief moment, I thought, after he broke poor Dedra's heart (apparently she really did love him!), that there was a briefest of chances that he would turn (just as one poster, I forgot who, suggested way back during season one) towards the Rebellion, no matter how much that went against Syril's core being. But then his focus suddenly snapped back into place when he glimpsed his erstwhile prey: Cassian. The ensuing fisticuffs was amusing and we all knew Syril wouldn't ultimately win, but I surprised who finally put Syril out of his misery. I expected it to be the concierge who previously helped Cassian, but instead it turned out to the be very Resistance leader who helped bring Syril into the fold as a mole.

Which brings us back to Bix. I initially didn't like the idea of her deciding to leave Cassian, to force his hand to become a Resistance leader. It felt too preordained, a forced act to place Cassian where he needed to be at the beginning of Rogue One. But then I heard her promise to find him after the war was over and I simply lost it. Partly because how her promise echoed Ahsoka's own promise to Ezra. Partly because she thought was doing the right thing for both of them.

But above all else, it was the doomed nature of that promise. This whole season, I kept predicting her death was what made Cassian grow hard as we saw him in Rogue One, while others argued differently. I freely admit I was wrong and they were right. This is the more tragic direction for his life to go in. His beloved Bix left him to make him fight. He did so and more. And it ultimately caused his death. Knowing all of this will undoubtedly recontextualize the whole film and I can't wait to experience that.

Lest I forget, in between those shattering moments, was Mon Mothma's grand moment. Even they we knew how it would play out, I did like the added drama about how we could trust Bail Organa's team when we knew from Rebels that his team was the one that delivered her to the Ghost crew. Could Luthen still be trusted or was he full of shit about Organa? Perhaps a little bit of unnecessary tension but I enjoyed watching it play out into its natural conclusion, complete with her ISB stooge of a driver finding himself on the wrong end of Cassian's blaster. Plus, it allowed us to revisit Cassian's lovely Blade Runner apartment one last time!

I rewatched Mon Mothma's speech on Rebels just prior to her Senate speech to see how much the two lined up but I wasn't surprised they weren't quite the same. I later realized her holospeech was what she latter broadcasted, just as the closing moments of the episode indicated. I knew it was a long shoot to get to see the Ghost crew in a brief cameo but I'm ultimately glad it didn't happen. It wasn't necessary and we already seen that moment. No need to retell it, now matter how much I (and others) want to see them again and in live action. Bix's farewell quickly swept away any hope on that matter and the episode is far stronger by ending on that heartbreaking moment.

B2EMO is gone but K-2SO is finally here! Time for brutally sardonic droid humor in the final trilogy!
 
Everyone who said they were gonna sing "La Marseillaise":

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K2!! I'm so happy he's finally arrived. Just give me all that Alan Tudyk directly into my veins, please.

This was excellent. Syril's end shocked me, but him getting a spine at last was really satisfying. Curious how Dedra will deal with the professional and personal fallout from Ghorman.

And they skipped around it without ever saying it explicitly, but Cassian is now officially recognized as an agent of the Force. Every time the rebellion needs a win, the "will of the Force" ensures somebody is there to make sure it happens. Sometimes that's Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger. Sometimes that's Obi-wan Kenobi. But most of the time it's Cassian Andor. Each marking time until a certain pair of twins are ready to answer the call. This was beautiful, and not only didn't interrupt the otherwise grounded material, but actually informed it.

Bix has so much faith in Cassian that she leaves him to ensure the Rebellion gets to keep him. That's lovely, tragic, romantic and messed up all at once.

So they didn’t have Mon do the Rebels speech, but maybe the speech they said she was doing off screen was it.

Or maybe that’s just referring to the speech she makes at the end of that rebels episode and they just retconned her first one

They did reference the other events of Secret Cargo, by mentioning gold squadron would be escorting her, which they did in that episode.
The speech from the Rebels episode is the one Draven mentions they want her to give towards the end here. Formally calling together the Alliance.

And you can bet that the freighter the ground crew was waiting on when Cassian was looking for Bix was almost certainly the Ghost, though it wasn't name dropped.

Loved the connection here. Cassian gets her out of the Senate building, then Kanan et al get her clear of Thrawn. All our heroes putting in work on one side or the other.
 
We've known for some time that the canon tiers still exist despite what they say at https://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page but this is the first time I believe that a filmed work has completely and unreservedly steamrolled a book (in this case K-2SO's origin is incompatible with the Rogue One: Cassian and K-2SO comic), whereas before with the Ahsoka novel, Kanan comic, conflicting with Tales of the Jedi cartoon, Bad Batch etc. there was always a small bit of wiggle room.

Rebels to some extent has been heavily retconned as well as Bail is shown on Yavin immediately after Mon's speech in that cartoon despite him saying he's staying on Coruscant here. I don't even want to know whether Dantooine base, first mentioned in ANH, is still a thing.

Mon mentions Tay Kolma of all people but not a word about her family. Oh well I'm sure Perrin ran off with Bix. Cassian and Mon will spend next week commiserating on how their significant others are cheating on them with each other.
Bix has so much faith in Cassian that she leaves him to ensure the Rebellion gets to keep him. That's lovely, tragic, romantic and messed up all at once.
If Cassian even suspects that Force healer is why Bix left, it explains why he's initially frosty to Guardians of the Whills Chirrut and Baze on Jedha and tells Jyn to stay away from them in Rogue One.
 
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Episode 9 fits into Rebels so smoothly now. The only continuity error may be in what Mon was wearing and her hairstyle during her farewell speech in the Senate, but other than that: Gilroy threaded the needle pretty flawlessly.
It's not the same speech. Andor mentions that Mon will make another widely broadcast speech that isn't seen (Draven asks Cassian if he wants to watch but Cassian said he already heard the first version) and that's the speech seen in Rebels. So Mon's clothes and hairstyle in Rebels aren't relevant because her speech there isn't the same one depicted in Andor.
 
Even if it turns out to be a slight retcon because it's live action I loved it, and it still fits in with the overall continuity.
TV continuity yes is mostly secure (we have to assume Bail lied in Andor and flew off to Yavin anyway I believe but it can fit if you squint) but the K-2SO origin comic is now completely incompatible (unless there are somehow 2 K-2SOs)
 
If Cassian even suspects that Force healer is why Bix left, it explains why he's initially frosty to Guardians of the Whills Chirrut and Baze on Jedha and tells Jyn to stay away from them in Rogue One.
Possible, though unnecessary. Cassian already has more than enough reason to be skeptical of the Force and wary of those who practice with it's power or venerate it's use. He was raised by a Separatist!
 
I think we kind of get an acceptable explanation for why the Empire left Bail alone after Kenobi despite his obvious Rebel ties, Leia being kidnapped by Inquisitors, etc. If Vader had sliced up Bail in a rage hunting for Kenobi, he wouldn't have been around for his key role in revealing Mothma as a traitor. Even though Vader is ultimately right (if he had sliced up Bail and hunted Kenobi down like he wanted the OT never would've happened) we can at least see what Palpatine's reasoning for leaving Bail and Obi-Wan alone is now.
 
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