What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Crazyewok]

Think I got it.

Everyone on the Enterprises D crew was was so smug, arrogant and full of shit that they were bringing the moral down on other ships. so Starfleet decided to just put them all on one big ship and send them as far away from earth and the rest of Starfleet (hence always being far from support) for the moral of the rest of Starfleet and the federation.

 

[korblborp]

Don't forget NASA & Academia.

Remember, StarFleet Academy is a 4 year institution with Majors in nearly every STEM field possible.

star fleet academy is a military academy for training officers, that doesn't make it standard "academia", which itself exists in the federation
my high school friend going into the navy specifically to be a nuke-reactor related officer and getting majors related to that doesn't change that he was there to be trained as an officer in a military

 

[137th Gebirg]

So... You're saying no Home-Economics curriculum?

 

[korblborp]

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controversial opinion: i believe Worf knew exactly what picard was talking about, he just was hoping he wouldn't have to do exactly what happened and tried to deflect.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

A byproduct of growing up with TNG, and that fucking line.

Kirky himself noted in CORBOMITE ''when this becomes a democracy,'' Bailey might have more say.

 

[korblborp]

Does the same Modern Military Representative bring a Full Universities worth of Scientists, Researchers, & Engineering & Repair teams everywhere they go?
Are they dragging Anthropologists, Biologists, Chemists, Physics majors with them everywhere they travel on a StarShip?

why do you keep bringing engineering and repair into it?

A: of course they have full engineering teams on modern ships, at least the big ones, how do you think the engines and other heavy machinery keep running and stuff?

B: as i understand it, in the US Navy, *everyone* gets trained in Damage Control, and it is a distinction from many other navys (at least up until ww2). which means repairs, really FAST, on the spot repairs, and in a pinch, they can do less time-intensive ones. obviously need specialists for some stuff (see engineering department) and a shipyard or drydock for a full fix on major holes.

C: starfleet *doesn't* bring a full universitie's worth everywhere. most ships have crews less than a galaxy's, for one. and also half the crew is enlisted and non-coms, even if we rarely interact with them, and not every officer is going to get a degree in those things

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

why do you keep bringing engineering and repair into it?

A: of course they have full engineering teams on modern ships, at least the big ones, how do you think the engines and other heavy machinery keep running and stuff?

But the head count & size/staff would be larger than what we see on screen. MUCH MUCH Larger staff count.

B: as i understand it, in the US Navy, *everyone* gets trained in Damage Control, and it is a distinction from many other navys (at least up until ww2). which means repairs, really FAST, on the spot repairs, and in a pinch, they can do less time-intensive ones. obviously need specialists for some stuff (see engineering department) and a shipyard or drydock for a full fix on major holes.

That's true of all US Navy personnel on a vessel.
That's seperate from real long term fixes.

C: starfleet *doesn't* bring a full universitie's worth everywhere. most ships have crews less than a galaxy's,

Galaxy Class was under-staffed for how large of a vessel it was.
It needed ALOT more crew IMO, the corridors were too empty.

Spoiler: EC Henry - The Enterprise is Insanely Huge

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I think between 7x-10x the 1000 person crew would be more appropriate for a vessel of the Galaxy Class size.

Given how vast & populous the Federation is, there shouldn't be a problem finding University level StarFleet staff to fill the spots.

and also half the crew is enlisted and non-coms, even if we rarely interact with them, and not every officer is going to get a degree in those things

Call this controversial, but I want to tear down the Officer-Enlisted divide and create one unified rank & hierarchy system.

This two tier caste system of Officer vs Enlisted is antiquated and not needed IMO.

Bad Idea: The Officer-Enlisted Divide | Defense360

The officer-enlisted divide stymies the effectiveness of today's armed forces, writes Nicholas Wood. Merging officers and enlisted into one hierarchical pyramid will unleash untapped leadership potential, remove redundancies, and put people in the positions for which they are best suited.

defense360.csis.org

It’s Time To Abolish The Enlisted-Officer Divide

taskandpurpose.com

Others have argued for it as well.

Will it ever happen, who knows.

But in a StarFleet setting, one of the core founding principles of the Federation is:

Caste-based discrimination was illegal in the Federation and was prohibited by the Federation Charter.

And to even prevent that from happening, I would rather abolish the Caste-System within StarFleet by tearing down the Officer / Enlisted seperation and unify the rank hierarchy structure.

The show focuses on StarFleet officers, with the exception of Mile's O'Brien, most characters were Officers.

It would be easier if there wasn't a Officer-Enlisted divide.

 

[Farscape One]

Call this controversial, but I want to tear down the Officer-Enlisted divide and create one unified rank & hierarchy system.

This two tier caste system of Officer vs Enlisted is antiquated and not needed IMO.

Bad Idea: The Officer-Enlisted Divide | Defense360

The officer-enlisted divide stymies the effectiveness of today's armed forces, writes Nicholas Wood. Merging officers and enlisted into one hierarchical pyramid will unleash untapped leadership potential, remove redundancies, and put people in the positions for which they are best suited.

defense360.csis.org

It’s Time To Abolish The Enlisted-Officer Divide

taskandpurpose.com

Others have argued for it as well.

Will it ever happen, who knows.

But in a StarFleet setting, one of the core founding principles of the Federation is:

Caste-based discrimination was illegal in the Federation and was prohibited by the Federation Charter.

And to even prevent that from happening, I would rather abolish the Caste-System within StarFleet by tearing down the Officer / Enlisted seperation and unify the rank hierarchy structure.

The show focuses on StarFleet officers, with the exception of Mile's O'Brien, most characters were Officers.

It would be easier if there wasn't a Officer-Enlisted divide.

You can't be saying the Enlisted/Officer ranks in Starfleet is a caste based system. Are you?

(Please tell me I am misunderstanding that post.)

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You can't be saying the Enlisted/Officer ranks in Starfleet is a caste based system. Are you?

(Please tell me I am misunderstanding that post.)

In a fashion, it is a form of caste based system.

Is there not the Officers & Enlisted?

Are they generally expected to be seperated and to not fraternize in the modern military?

While it may not be as discriminatory as Castes in more primitive societies, I still don't like the fact that there is a seperation there.

 

[Farscape One]

In a fashion, it is a form of caste based system.

Is there not the Officers & Enlisted?

Are they generally expected to be seperated and to not fraternize in the modern military?

While it may not be as discriminatory as Castes in more primitive societies, I still don't like the fact that there is a seperation there.

First, the Enlisted/Officers is definitely NOT a caste based thing.

I can't speak to the modern military as I never served, but Starfleet personnel are not 'expected' to only fraternize within their group, whether it's officers or enlisted.

That's like saying only engineering personnel will fraternize with other engineering people, or medical with medical.

This is just absolutely ridiculous.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ridiculous is being generous. This is a bizarre take even for this thread.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I can't speak to the modern military as I never served, but Starfleet personnel are not 'expected' to only fraternize within their group, whether it's officers or enlisted.

That's like saying only engineering personnel will fraternize with other engineering people, or medical with medical.

This is just absolutely ridiculous.

Everything I've read, it's generally against the regs to Fraternize between Officers & Enlisted service members.

Here's an example.

https://www.cpf.navy.mil/About-Us/Commanders-Guidance/Policy-Statements/Fraternization/

As Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, I am committed to maintaining an environment of professionalism for all service members and civilian employees who serve and those who support and serve with our military forces.

The Navy's policy on fraternization is clear. Personal relationships between officers and enlisted members which are unduly familiar and do not respect differences in rank and grade are prohibited and violate long-standing customs and tradition of the naval service. Relationships that are unduly familiar between officers or between enlisted members of different rank or grade may also be prejudicial to good order and discipline or may be of a nature to bring discredit to the naval service and are therefore also prohibited.

Prohibited relationships include:


a. Personal relationships between officer and enlisted members which are unduly familiar and do not respect differences in grade or rank. Relationships are prohibited regardless of the service affiliation or the service rules of the other person, including unduly familiar relationships with members of foreign military services.

b. Personal relationships between Chief Petty Officers (E-7 to E-9) and Junior Personnel (E-1 to E-6), who are assigned to the same command which are unduly familiar and do not respect differences in grade or rank. This prohibition is based on the unique leadership responsibility of the Chief Petty Officer.

c. Personal relationships that are unduly familiar between staff or instructor and student personnel within Navy training commands, and between recruiting personnel and prospects.

d. Relationships between officer and enlisted members that are non-intimate, but involve frequent, exclusive off-duty activities not related to command events may be unduly familiar and not respect differences in grade or rank.


Unduly familiar relationships create the potential for real or perceived conflicts of interest within the command, and are therefore detrimental to positive morale, unit cohesiveness and good order and discipline. Fraternization will not be tolerated.


S.T. KOEHLER

 

[XCV330]

I am the very model of a quasi military modern admiral
I've information scientific, martial, superluminal
I know the kings Elysian, and I quote the fights historical
from Broken Bow to to Regula in order categorical
I'm very well aquainted too with matters mathematical
I understand equations from the Zephram Cochraine manual
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
I don't need to use my PADD to calculate the hypotenuse.

I'm very good at integral and differential calculus;
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous:
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Starfleet Admiral.

I've visited our history, and caused a paradox;
I learned to love myself with the aid of Doctor Phlox,
I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Govna Kodos,
I twist across the dancefloor like a pack of oiled Odos;
I can tell undoubted Raphaels from a brand new Malatesta,
I've heard Kasseelian operas next to Regina the Contessa
Then I can play a trombone like you've never heard before
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore.

Then I can write a washing bill in Bajoran cuneiform,
And tell you ev'ry detail of the crimson uniform
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Starfleet Admiral

In fact, I know how to feed a tardigrade its supper
When I can tell at sight a phaser from an old disruptor
When such affairs as sorties and surprises I'm more wary at,
And when I know precisely what is meant by "commissariat",
When I have learnt what progress has been made in plasma gunnery,
When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery –
In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy –
You'll see a Starfleet Officer comfy floating there in zero gee

For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the thirty second century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Starfleet Admiral



(drops mic)

 

[cooleddie74]

The real Captain is the one we loved along the way, even with his cereal that cuts the rooves of our mouths.

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The real Captain is the one we loved along the way, even with his cereal that cuts the rooves of our mouths.

Cap'n Crunch isn't that great of a cereal.

Kellogs Frosted Mini Wheats are better IMO.

 

[korblborp]

But they carried far more than what a modern Western Military would permit on their average mission.

A regular Science contingent on the Galaxy class would have a far deeper Scientific Department than what the Nimitz-class USS Enterprise would carry.
The Depth & Breadth of things they are studying is on a different level.

Any specialists that comes on board is in addition to a already large science department.

if you put rockets on a nimitz and blasted into space, it would have to up the compliment of nerds a lot, but it would still be a US navy ship. well, Space Force, i guess, but still military.

 

[Nerys Myk]

if you put rockets on a nimitz and blasted into space, it would have to up the compliment of nerds a lot, but it would still be a US navy ship. well, Space Force, i guess, but still military.

The Navy is probably pissed about not getting to be the Space Navy.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

if you put rockets on a nimitz and blasted into space, it would have to up the compliment of nerds a lot, but it would still be a US navy ship. well, Space Force, i guess, but still military.

I've already said my piece on how I view StarFleet and how it crews it's ships.

If you want to start over on this argument, that's fine.

But I view it in a different way, and we'll leave it at that.

 

[cooleddie74]

The official name for the Imperial military in Star Wars is the Imperial Navy. There's your Space Navy, nerds. Complete with officers who are 99% British and sinister.