What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

WTF is a Pure Modern Military Organization?

are we about to spontaneously break into Gilbert and Sullivan?!

Because I don't do that anymore.

You're trying to equate StarFleet as equivalent to a Western Military like the US Armed Forces or British Armed Forces as a 1 to 1 Analogue.

I'm arguing it isn't a 1 to 1 Analogue, it goes beyond that.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Fake science about fake biology, astronomy, geology, etc, too.

 

[XCV330]

I often think of StarFleet while eating SteamedHams

 

[BillJ]

Other than fakes science about fake technologies, what would that be?

I imagine if warp drive existed, the US military would have classes covering its functioning, same for transporters and phasers and FTL communications.

 

[Crazyewok]

Why do they drop everything when war comes calling? Because... it also functions as a military, and when war happens, that takes precedence over the science stuff.

If war takes precedence then that is a primary function and not a secondary making starfleet a military.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Fake science about fake biology, astronomy, geology, etc, too.

To paraphrase Jerry Lee, a whole lot of faking going on.

 

[BillJ]

You're trying to equate StarFleet as equivalent to a Western Military like the US Armed Forces or British Armed Forces as a 1 to 1 Analogue.

I'm arguing it isn't a 1 to 1 Analogue, it goes beyond that.

How? You still haven't proven your case, remotely. Everything you bring up can be ascribed to modern militaries.

I'm a 'you do you' kind of person, but if you want to work professionally in these fields you have to have some idea of what you're talking about. Not just constantly circle back to one line and say it's different.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The confusion stems from "primary" and "secondary" - does it refer to what they're likely to be doing most often, or which takes priority when both are options?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Other than fakes science about fake technologies, what would that be?

Training StarFleet Officers into many roles that are beyond what normal modern Military Officers requires of them.

When you're out in the Frontier of Space, you're a representative of the Federation Government as StarFleet and their enforcement arm should anything happen.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Training StarFleet Officers into many roles that are beyond what normal modern Military Officers requires of them.

When you're out in the Frontier of Space, you're a representative of the Federation Government as StarFleet and their enforcement arm should anything happen.

Could you be more vague?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

There aren't too many first contacts with new cultures we didn't know existed any more.

 

[BillJ]

When you're out in the Frontier of Space, you're a representative of the Federation Government as StarFleet and their enforcement arm should anything happen.

When you're on the border, you're a representative of the United States Government as Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines and their enforcement arm should anything happen.

 

[Tallguy]

Right now a lot of us are Stephen Falken, in his den and loading up the old movie projector.

Deep cut. Well done.

It doesn't mean StarFleet doesn't have the Military aspect, it sure does, but it's more than just that.

A few pages ago and in Peak Performance some people were saying that it ISN'T a military. Scott repeats the same nonsense in Into Darkness. AND Beyond, I think.

Right, but we don't have any examples of a real world military that operates as Starfleet, as an organization that prioritizes the other duties with the military as a secondary function.

No. Your primary function is what you HAVE to do. There is never a time that cataloging gaseous anomalies and star charting takes precedence over defense. "The Romulans are attacking our outposts." "But SCIENCE!" "Ah. your primary purpose. Very good then. Carry on."

It's like flight attendants. Most of the time they serve drinks and meals. But their PRIMARY purpose is to get passengers off the plane in emergencies.

Training StarFleet Officers into many roles that are beyond what normal modern Military Officers requires of them.

You keep saying stuff like that and people keep offering you examples of real world responsibilities of real life militaries.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Does the same Modern Military Representative bring a Full Universities worth of Scientists, Researchers, & Engineering & Repair teams everywhere they go?
Are they dragging Anthropologists, Biologists, Chemists, Physics majors with them everywhere they travel on a StarShip?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

There is never a time that cataloging gaseous anomalies and star charting takes precedence over defense. "The Romulans are attacking our outposts." "But SCIENCE!" "Ah. your primary purpose. Very good then. Carry on."

All ships are equipped to be able to do something if such an emergency arises (unless crippled, and even then they might do a suicide run rather than stay back and help nobody - depending on what kind of captain you have and other extenuating circumstances)

@Kamen Rider Blade If they can justify it. And they can always evacuate civilian personnel, the sick and injured, those who can't aid the fighting effort in the event of an emergency if there's time. Most current militaries aren't likely to discover an entire new class of lifeform on any given mission.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

A few pages ago and in Peak Performance some people were saying that it ISN'T a military. Scott repeats the same nonsense in Into Darkness. AND Beyond, I think.

You would think Scotty would understand his role in StarFleet.

 

[BillJ]

You would think Scotty would understand his role in StarFleet.

You would think Jaresh Inyo would understand his role as President of the United Federation of Planets.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You keep saying stuff like that and people keep offering you examples of real world responsibilities of real life militaries.

And I'm not denying that StarFleet does all of that, but they do more as well.

Why do you think StarFleet isn't classified as a Military Only Service?

Why not just call StarFleet the Federations Military and be done with it?

Why are they calling it something else and everybody within it has called themselves Explorers, Scientists, etc more often than they call themselves a Soldier?

You would think they would be proud to call themselves Soldiers all the time, but they classify themselves as Soldiers only when the time arises and as necessary.

Otherwise they have other duties that takes precedence and they call themselves Explorers / Scientists / Diplomats / whatever role they need to be.

 

[1001001]

You keep saying stuff like that and people keep offering you examples of real world responsibilities of real life militaries.

Its almost as if these millions of responses are pointless…

 

[BillJ]

A few pages ago and in Peak Performance some people were saying that it ISN'T a military. Scott repeats the same nonsense in Into Darkness. AND Beyond, I think.

A byproduct of growing up with TNG, and that fucking line.