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That doesn't AT ALL match what we saw in ST:VOY Future Tense.
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That doesn't AT ALL match what we saw in ST:VOY Future Tense.
Doesn’t “Future’s End” take place in 1996? The war could’ve already been over when they arrived.
1996 was the last year of Khan's rule and possibly the year Khan left Earth. We do know the population was "war weary" by then.
Narrative focus and a localised story. You can't have Rain going on about a war when it's not that important to the plot. The plot was stuffed enough, in honesty.
Just make up whatever explanation you want, as I don't think the writers would care. Different timeline/same timeline but different, or Spock and his records were simply wrong about the scale of the conflict.
I saw a model of a DY-100 in the episode and that was enough of a nod for me.
Just make up whatever explanation you want, as I don't think the writers would care. Different timeline/same timeline but different, or Spock and his records were simply wrong about the scale of the conflict.
I saw a model of a DY-100 in the episode and that was enough of a nod for me.
Is there any suggestion that the Eugenics Wars were nuclear, or is that a conflation with the Third World War? They may have been intended to be one and the same during TOS, but this has been retconned by the TNG era.
Spock's line that "Whole populations were being bombed out of existence" doesn't necessarily refer to nuclear war. It could easily be taken to mean ethnic cleansing of minority communities, which would fit far more with a "Eugenics" war. We actually did see a lot of this in the 90s, such as Rwanda, the Kosovo and Bosnia to name three. I believe Greg Cox folded these into his Eugenics War books.
The impression I got is that Khan was some kind of warlord, ruling by fear and violence somewhere across Asia like the Taliban in Afghanistan or ISIS.
The point is that all of those things actually happened, but you wouldn't have known it if you took a stroll down Venice Beach in 1996.
Has it? Has anyone mentioned 1996 since Wrath of Khan?
That's a fair point. The Third World War was located in the mid-21st century as early as Encounter at Farpoint, but I don't believe that it was also intended at the time to move the Eugenics Wars, with Khan's unequivocal mention of 1996 was still very recent.
Other references? Phlox specifically states that the Augments are products of 20th century genetic engineering. Archer talks about his great-grandfather fighting Augments in Africa. That's pretty vague, but Henry Archer was supposedly born in 2077, so his grandfather being born over a century earlier is maybe a stretch, but not impossible.
There's the completely erroneous line about it taking place "200 years ago" in 'Dr Bashir, I Presume?', which Ron Moore said was a mistake based on him repeating Khan's (also wrong) line in TWOK.
Clearly in the more recent shows they've explicitly made the Eugenics Wars all part of one mid-21st century conflict, and I'm fine with that. I guess we could retcon Future's End as part of that, and I don't have a particular issue with this.
But my point is that I don't think that was the intention at the time, given that the DY-100 is in Rain's office. The TOS 1990s Eugenics Wars are not incompatible with an unaffected Los Angeles, as wars happening elsewhere have rarely had any impact on the American home front.
So yes, you're right that there probably isn't anything really preventing the SNW retcon itself being extended to include the TNG era. And actually quite a bit to support it. Phlox's mention of the 20th century is also compatible with PIC showing that Adam Soong was drawing from 1990s research.
Possibly but I would expect, perhaps unreasonably so, that there would be hints of some kind to a war that impacted multiple nations.
Exact date? No. The late twentieth century is mentioned in Enterprise.
As mentioned by @Tomalak, Picard season 2 showed as that at least some of the research did originate in the 20th century. SNW shows us that they seemingly weren't able to create actual Augments until sometime in the 2010s, going by Khan's age while he was in Toronto.
From my perspective, SNW simply is wrong. If we’re treating it all as the same timeline.
Of course, it is a mileage may vary situation.
Canon and nostalgia continue to sell. So it will be “canon”. Seems like canon and nostalgia are the only reasons these shows exist.
If it sells it makes money. Which is the driving force behind these shows and it seems very reluctant to change.
Khan is set in the exile on Ceti Alpha V, not during the Wars. I know Memory Alpha has said they won't accept it as canon because it isn't on a screen, because the studios are notoriously fickle about the canonicity of things they're trying to sell.
And they could easily not mention any dates, since they're unlikely to be relevant.
Unless Khan was fond of reminiscing: "It was 1992; the Barcelona Olympics, Shakespeare's Sister were in their eighth week at number one, Sharon Stone uncrossed her legs, and I finally executed all of my enemies".
Unless Khan was fond of reminiscing: "It was 1992; the Barcelona Olympics, Shakespeare's Sister were in their eighth week at number one, Sharon Stone uncrossed her legs, and I finally executed all of my enemies".
That's fine because Memory Alpha isn't canon either. Well, a Memory Alpha is canon, just not this one.
MA only accepts what’s on screen as canon because that’s been the Trek IP holder’s stance since TNG. But the current IP holder can declare the podcast canon and MA would have to clarify its stance or ignore CBS/Paramount. But as someone else said, it really makes no difference anyway because MA isn’t an official CBS/Paramount source.
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