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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Yet people still report it as if it's a sign of a bad movie. Effing idjits.

I think it seen as a bad sign depending on the level of reshoots. Sometimes they seem small but then sometimes it feels like they are trying to create a whole new movie with them or tv show.
 
That's only because people don't understand how movie production works. Pretty much every movies goes back to do some kind of reshoots before it's done, it's just a matter of how much. They can range from just a few shots here or there, or almost a complete revamp of the movie.
Given the chance, any creators will keep revising a work until the release date. These days, it's probably quicker to incorporate new footage into a film than it would've been in pre-digital times, so late reshoots don't strike me as a problem unless the new footage is CGI-heavy.
Yeah, I've heard stories about how they've worked on movies until literally minutes or hours before the premiere.
 
The executives at Marvel say they will do more 'continuation seasons' for TV series. They say they want to do a 2nd season of Hawkeye. I think the new Daredevil TV series and the new series they are currently planning with Hawkeye will do 3 seasons and then leave it. And after a while they will say let's do another one; they will go back to a few of them like they did with the Captain America and Thor series.
 
I actually liked all those shows. In fact I liked most of them better than Loki but I still think Loki was a bigger success than them. Not sure about Werewolf by Night. I know people liked it but not sure if it got good ratings or anything.
The Disney+ shows have been the highlight of the MCU for me over the past five years. Apart from Secret Invasion, I really enjoyed them all. Other than maybe a couple of the movies over the same period, I think the MCU shows outshone the made for theatre offerings.

Reshoots are such a standard part of the process these days that it should hardly come this any kind of surprise or be considered newsworthy when a movie is going through reshoots.
I heard the reshoots are for the end credits scenes.
 
I think it seen as a bad sign depending on the level of reshoots. Sometimes they seem small but then sometimes it feels like they are trying to create a whole new movie with them or tv show.

The latter are very rare occasions. A lot of movies even get reshoots for two or three scenes and we never hear about it because they're not spotlight movies like Marvel or DC.
No, you really are overthinking a very common process in Hollywood.
 
Rumours are swirling around Hollywood that producers have completely reshot the ending of an upcoming thriller due to poor audience test scores. It doesn't look good for the film and insiders are already predicting that Fatal Attraction might end up the biggest box-office bomb of 1987...
 
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The Disney+ shows have been the highlight of the MCU for me over the past five years. Apart from Secret Invasion, I really enjoyed them all. Other than maybe a couple of the movies over the same period, I think the MCU shows outshone the made for theatre offerings.


I heard the reshoots are for the end credits scenes.

I have enjoyed the Disney Plus shows more than most of the movies lately also. Secret Invasion was terrible and I think Loki was uneven but I have enjoyed them for the most part. I am also counting X-Men 97 which was great. I have been disappointed in Daredevil though. I have found it mostly boring and the show was hurt by ditching all it's great supporting characters and replacing them with less interesting replacements. I have liked some aspects of the season. The actors playing Daredevil and Fisk are great as usual. I am hoping next season will be better since it should feel less like a patchwork between two different visions for the show.
 
The latter are very rare occasions. A lot of movies even get reshoots for two or three scenes and we never hear about it because they're not spotlight movies like Marvel or DC.
No, you really are overthinking a very common process in Hollywood.

I think one can tell the difference in how reshoots go by how well they new stuff feels like a natural fit in the movie and show. Some movies you can almost spot the reshoot scene by how unnatural it feels, with the flow of the movie.
 
I think one can tell the difference in how reshoots go by how well they new stuff feels like a natural fit in the movie and show. Some movies you can almost spot the reshoot scene by how unnatural it feels, with the flow of the movie.

That's not what I am talking about and you know that. I am talking about people saying a movie will be crap BEFORE it is released because it is getting reshoots, and how that automatically means disaster. So many movies get reshoots that we don't know about, and people dont notice.
Now we have the couch potatoes that feel they are superheroes themselves claiming they can really tell which scenes are the reshoots because 'they just know'. It's all bulltshit because they knew in advance reshoots were done and are just talking shit.
So, again..... No. Clickbait websites are using the term to earn money, and punters needing to feel like heroes are using the term to come off as true experts on movies.

Fuck that bullshit.

If this comment gets me banned, whatever. But I am so done with people claiming they know a thing or two about movies because some thirdgrade website is talking about how a movie will suck because of reshoots.
 
It's massive budget made it a flop.

Aside from the production budget, Cap 4's marketing budget has been estimated from various sources--

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By Scott Collura
Updated: Mar 11, 2025 4:20 pm

The Brave New World budget that has been reported by trade outlets like Variety and The Hollywood Reporter is $180 million, but that seems low considering the reported (at least) 22 days of reshoots, and indeed, some well-sourced industry observers indicate that the final budget was significantly higher. According to The Hot Mic, the budget was in the range of $300 million, while Joanna Robinson and Dave Gonzalez, who wrote the book MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios, have said their sources peg the movie as costing closer to $380 million. Bear in mind there’s also the matter of P&A (prints and advertising) costs, which would be in the tens of millions at the very least if not higher for an MCU blockbuster (Variety pegs P&A for Brave New World at $100 million). And then there’s the revenue split that the studio has to share with theater owners!

It had a sub-200m budget, modest by blockbuster standards, and like Quantumania will eventually made a (very small) profit.

Not saying it's a result to be proud of but not a total disaster either.

At the time of this article's posting, Cap 4's earnings were among the lowest of an MCU film, but not the historic disaster that was The Marvels as seen in this IGN chart:
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Box Office Mojo's updated grosses for Cap 4 has the film earning $413,257,265. If any of the estimated production + advertising budgets are accurate (e.g., the $380 million from the IGN piece), then Cap 4's current $413,257,265 earnings would make it a serious, worldwide flop, and yet another in a continuing series of Marvel Studios bombs of late, which puts more pressure on the Thunderbolts & the FF to over-perform (perhaps from the expected, endless Easter Eggs and sub-plots leading to the next Avengers / Secret Wars film). The latter point remains to be seen.

Unless Disney is lying about how much they spent. The main thing is, if it was a success they would for sure be touting it as a success and would be talking about the net Captain America movie they want to do.

Let's put it this way: after the release of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, the buzz was rather loud about what and when would be Cap's next movie. TWS was such a powerful entry and elevated the Cap character that he became an audience focus of the MCU for some time.

The year so far was pretty lackluster, so being the number two movie doesn't mean shit.

I must agree with this. Even if the FF and Thunderbolts succeed, two films may not salvage the overall movie year up to this point.
 
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That's not what I am talking about and you know that. I am talking about people saying a movie will be crap BEFORE it is released because it is getting reshoots, and how that automatically means disaster. So many movies get reshoots that we don't know about, and people dont notice.
Now we have the couch potatoes that feel they are superheroes themselves claiming they can really tell which scenes are the reshoots because 'they just know'. It's all bulltshit because they knew in advance reshoots were done and are just talking shit.
So, again..... No. Clickbait websites are using the term to earn money, and punters needing to feel like heroes are using the term to come off as true experts on movies.

Fuck that bullshit.

If this comment gets me banned, whatever. But I am so done with people claiming they know a thing or two about movies because some thirdgrade website is talking about how a movie will suck because of reshoots.
ALL of this.
 
I've been trying to figure out how much of the jump is actually Florence Pugh and how much is a stunt double or CGI. It looks like she just went down a few feet and then was pulled back up, and everything at least from the point where the parachute opens is a double or CGI, but it's hard to tell with the things are edited.
I was a little surprised the explosion in the building was real, I had been assuming it was CGI when we saw it in the trailers. I love that movies like this are going back to more practical effects for stuff like that.
 
That's not what I am talking about and you know that. I am talking about people saying a movie will be crap BEFORE it is released because it is getting reshoots, and how that automatically means disaster. So many movies get reshoots that we don't know about, and people dont notice.
Now we have the couch potatoes that feel they are superheroes themselves claiming they can really tell which scenes are the reshoots because 'they just know'. It's all bulltshit because they knew in advance reshoots were done and are just talking shit.
So, again..... No. Clickbait websites are using the term to earn money, and punters needing to feel like heroes are using the term to come off as true experts on movies.

Fuck that bullshit.

If this comment gets me banned, whatever. But I am so done with people claiming they know a thing or two about movies because some thirdgrade website is talking about how a movie will suck because of reshoots.

I think it is just part of this new idea of people when making a film feel they can "Fix it in post" as the expression goes. Do I think people try and get stories from it. Sure because everyone picks these movies apart on a daily basis. For me I feel like it never seems like a big deal unless is a added angle to the story.

The big story with the reshoots with the last Captain America became a story because the amount of money reported spent and also when you hear things like how Giancarlo Esposito hadn't even meet some of his co-stars until much later after the film was done filming. Then their are the stories combined with the idea of reshoots being done after a disaster of pre-release screening. Then their is also the idea of review embargo's until like the day movie is released.

TO me I find this stuff to be of curious interests but in the end I only care so much as whatever impact it might have on the bigger picture but as for the individual movie I still will like it or hate it depending on how entertaining it is. I do find that despite all the internet drama, quality tends to always rise to the top and bad movies or shows tend to sink on their own merits. Every know and then a great movie doesn't get the love it deserves, like say the last James Gunn Suicide Squad movie and sometimes a real stinker is a success story. My suspicions that is the case with this new "Minecraft" movie but for the most part everything evens out and good movies and shows find a audience later and bad movies once beloved, become less liked such as say "Crash."
 
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