Under the Cloak of War. M'Benga was a bit overdramatic
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Yeah, and completely unrealistic, too. I mean, when have we ever seen people in real life being affected by the devastating experience of war, like in some sort of post-traumatic stress … problem? It’s just not known to happen. Really, Chapel and M’Benga should have just shook hands with the Butcher of J'Gal and complimented him on his cool nickname instead of being hung up about a bunch of people being brutally killed years ago. 
Yeah, people are such whiny babies. "Oh, he killed a bunch of my comrades. Boo-hoo." Grow a pair, and evolve, like proper evolved humans you whiner.
I've seen insensitive opinions before but this one is topping the list.
I've seen insensitive opinions before but this one is topping the list.
I think Pike has been a very good captain. Until now. It was a mistake and error in judgment on his part given the wartime experiences they went through and Pike wasn't there for.
He should not have been so adamant about having Ortegas, M'Benga, and Chapel there. I was actually glad Ortegas got up and left.
He should not have been so adamant about having Ortegas, M'Benga, and Chapel there. I was actually glad Ortegas got up and left.
M'Benga: I killed them. I killed them all. Every single one of them. And not just the men. But the women. And the children too! Klingons are animals and I slaughtered them like animals! I hate them!
Chapel: To be angry is to be human.
M'Benga: I'm a doctor. I know I'm better than this.
Chapel: To be angry is to be human.
M'Benga: I'm a doctor. I know I'm better than this.
Without going into too much detail - I had a friend whose husband did some terrible things and spent time in jail for it.
Everyone said he's been rehabilitated and he's paid his debt to society.
That was twenty years ago.
I've only seen them twice since then and each time I want to beat the sh*t out of him. I'd do it without a seconds hesitation.
There are some things you can't forgive.
Everyone said he's been rehabilitated and he's paid his debt to society.
That was twenty years ago.
I've only seen them twice since then and each time I want to beat the sh*t out of him. I'd do it without a seconds hesitation.
There are some things you can't forgive.
Nope.
I encourage you to check out basically every topic OP ever started. They're not in it for a discussion, just ruffling feathers and getting responses out of it.
I ignore most of the topics they start but I had to check this one out.
nah. you just don't like Whatculture.com's list articles about the dumb things in Star Trek movies, mage
No. He's right.
You're right, I don't.
And while there are many dumb things in different Trek productions this is not one of them and doesn't even come close to cracking the top 5,000 list.
Except that the Federation wanted the war vets to interact with Dak’Rah. And as Pike is supposed to represent the best of the Federation, he’s just furthering the goals of what the Federation want. The insensitivity is really on the part of the Federation. Especially since Pike decided that Dak’Rah should leave the ship a whole day early when Una made it clear to him that Rah’s presence was affecting crew morale.
The war vets were right to be mad at Dak'Rah's presence on the ship. But, the war vets should also be mad at the idiocy that occurred before, during, and after the Battle of the Binary Stars on the part of Starfleet. Burnham, Saru and Georgiou are all to blame for that battle escalating into a war and 100M dead. And Saru should have been held accountable like Burnham, instead of being promoted.
Also worth noting that the war vets aren’t being given an outlet to channel their anger and trauma properly. Maybe this is why Starfleet has ship's counselors in the 24th century, though one has to wonder what took so long to begin with. But then again, between this and Shaw's outburst at Picard in PIC, Starfleet seems to have a problem supporting those that have lingering trauma.
Pike didn't need ALL the vets there. And Pike could have found a way to have the interaction with them without it being over a lengthy situation like the dinner.
And how was Saru to blame? Burnham was the one who attempted mutiny against Georgiou.
Regarding Shaw in PICARD, he seemed to be fine until Picard came aboard. Just because you move on from something doesn't mean it can't come back to you when you are face to face with something or someone who was a part of that trauma. Plus, considering how many people were lost during the Dominion War and the Klingon War in DISCO, it's not surprising Starfleet may have been a bit lax in checking to make sure their vets were okay to stay on duty. (Which, barring those unique situations of someone like Dak'Rah appearing on their ship, they were fine.)
Shaw habitually treated Seven in a personally abusive manner.
On that, I agree.
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Saru was the science officer on the Shenzhou, he delivered science jargon and clunky exposition about his ability to sense death. I fail to see how he is responsible for the outbreak of the Klingon War or why he should have been "held accountable" or even what he should have been "held accountable" for.
And war was an inevitability the moment Shenzhou made contact with the Sarcophagus. It's what the Klingons wanted, it's what they were looking for, and they would have used any excuse to open hostilities. I don't see what happened at the binary stars happening any differently even if Starfleet didn't have Burnham to use a scapegoat.* If anything, Discovery 's presence gave Starfleet a heads up that hostilities were coming.
*And that doesn't mean I'm excusing Burnham's actions either. She was rightfully court-martialed for the mutiny, but she did not start the war.
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It's my favourite SNW episode. So, no.
Kirk isn't actually the only officer to beat the Kobayashi Maru. The other was M'Benga. Once M'Benga ordered his ship into the Neutral Zone in the simulation, the simulated Klingon ships all fled and some even self-destructed the moment M'Benga announced his name and intentions. Starfleet programmers pored over the Kobayashi Maru code again and again trying to figure out what happened, but ultimately had no explanation other than that the Klingons' AI was "too realistic". The event ultimately ended up driving Dr. Daystrom mad when he was called in to check the code. Kirk, upon realizing he was no longer special, demoted M'Benga from CMO and for years after he and close friends like McCoy would still insist that Kirk was the only person who beat the Kobayashi Maru.
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