Season 3 First Look

[Daedalus]

Memberberries, my dude. It's all about the memberberries. SNW might be fresh and innovative, but there's still nostalgia to serve. Therefore, if there is to be a holodeck, it'll be the TNG style grid rather than anything else. Even Lower Decks and Picard went back to the TNG despite seeing different types of empty holodecks on DS9 and Voyager.

I suppose, but the latter two are after the original grid-style holodeck introduction so it's a bit more reasonable. It feels like the wrong berries to remember, at least in appearance.

Then again, it looks like Q is going to be in this with a different (if familiar) name, and a very on-the-nose self-referential mockumentary. To say that this season skirts canon in favour of being more meta wouldn't be too inaccurate. At least at first glance!

If SNW turns into the Deadpool of Trek, I could live with that.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Paul Wesley in the retro scene at the beginning is almost a spitting image for Jeffrey Hunter. It also looked like they were on the original USS Callister!

 

[Nerys Myk]

The TOS Enterprise didn't have a holodeck.

It didn't have a lot of things...until it did. That's how fiction works. Every new installment has the potential to introduce some hitherto unknown feature.

 

[DaveyNY]

The TOS Enterprise didn't have a holodeck.

Just because they called it the REC ROOM instead of a Holodeck, doesn't mean it didn't fulfill pretty much the exact same function.

 

[Daedalus]

It didn't have a lot of things...until it did. That's how fiction works. Every new installment has the potential to introduce some hitherto unknown feature.

Would it be OK if SNW introduced 32nd century-style personal transporters at some point? Or an advanced form of propulsion that is effectively Quantum Slipstream?.

Im thinking that "because we didn't see it in TOS doesn't mean they didn't have it", doesn't always ring true. I'm ready to change my mind, of course.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

There are multiple ways something can be introduced without making earlier shows inaccurate in that respect:

a) An alien civilization has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet, and they don't give it to us
b) A ship/person from the future has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet
c) An alternate timeline has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet
d) Future Starfleet/Federation will have them

For all of the above, our characters may use the tech, but not have enough information/resources to reverse engineer/create their own.

e) Present Starfleet/Federation has them, but not widely known/distributed (only on a need to know basis, top secret, only for the rich)
f) Present Starfleet/Federation has them, but a much less sophisticated version thereof.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Would it be OK if SNW introduced 32nd century-style personal transporters at some point? Or an advanced form of propulsion that is effectively Quantum Slipstream?.

Im thinking that "because we didn't see it in TOS doesn't mean they didn't have it", doesn't always ring true. I'm ready to change my mind, of course.

You make a great point. The holodeck and the holographic environments that wete introduced in tng were clearly newly advanced holograms. Picard was so excited that he couldnt contain himself in the important briefing they were having. He was amazed at the realism. I cant believe they had an equivalent for 100 years.

 

[Daedalus]

You make a great point. The holodeck and the holographic environments that wete introduced in tng were clearly newly advanced holograms. Picard was so excited that he couldnt contain himself in the important briefing they were having. He was amazed at the realism. I cant believe they had an equivalent for 100 years.

I just want to establish that there are certain things that a 23rd century federation starship shouldn't really have yet.

A Rec Room? OK, I can live with that. It's all about how it's presented.

I'd just feel confused if the Enterprise circa 2260 suddenly had an Iconian gateway room on deck six, and we just never knew about it.

 

[Campe]

Okay, I can accept that people are unhappy about the apparent appearance of a holodeck. I don't care. I'm hoping for tons of fun in SNW season 3. I'd suggest that people wait and see what they actually do with it but I know better with this crowd.

What I do wonder is what happens when we actually develop a real-life holographic projector where they actually have the appearance of mass and are solid? Do we say that reality is non-canon?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Would it be OK if SNW introduced 32nd century-style personal transporters at some point? Or an advanced form of propulsion that is effectively Quantum Slipstream?.

Im thinking that "because we didn't see it in TOS doesn't mean they didn't have it", doesn't always ring true. I'm ready to change my mind, of course.

Seems an extreme example. We've seen holodecks in TAS, which takes place in the same timeframe as TOS. We've seen holograms in TOS (That Which Survives and Return of the Archons). So the tech is there for SNW to use. Point is we will see "new" tech on SNW. Same as with TOS. If they need tech X for story Y, they'll intro it. Be it a shuttlecraft a framistat or doohickey. The entire tech compliment of the ship wasn't laid out on day one. Just as Spock's physiology wasn't. So there is room for a holodeck on the ship and a nictating eyelid in Spock's physiology,

 

[TRON JA307020]

Okay, I can accept that people are unhappy about the apparent appearance of a holodeck. I don't care. I'm hoping for tons of fun in SNW season 3. I'd suggest that people wait and see what they actually do with it but I know better with this crowd.

What I do wonder is what happens when we actually develop a real-life holographic projector where they actually have the appearance of mass and are solid? Do we say that reality is non-canon?

If it happens in the real world so what. Our real world isnt star trek.

There are multiple ways something can be introduced without making earlier shows inaccurate in that respect:

a) An alien civilization has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet, and they don't give it to us
b) A ship/person from the future has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet
c) An alternate timeline has them, but Starfleet/Federation doesn't yet
d) Future Starfleet/Federation will have them

For all of the above, our characters may use the tech, but not have enough information/resources to reverse engineer/create their own.

e) Present Starfleet/Federation has them, but not widely known/distributed (only on a need to know basis, top secret, only for the rich)
f) Present Starfleet/Federation has them, but a much less sophisticated version thereof.

Exactly Victoria.

 

[Campe]

If it happens in the real world so what. Our real world isnt star trek.

Well, I was mainly joking on that point. I don't take canon that seriously to begin with. I'm in it to be entertained.

 

[fireproof78]

The TOS Enterprise didn't have a holodeck.

In TAS it had the Rec deck which was the same principle. So...I don't see the problem.

 

[Daedalus]

Seems an extreme example. We've seen holodecks in TAS, which takes place in the same timeframe as TOS. We've seen holograms in TOS (That Which Survives and Return of the Archons). So the tech is there for SNW to use. Point is we will see "new" tech on SNW. Same as with TOS. If they need tech X for story Y, they'll intro it. Be it a shuttlecraft a framistat or doohickey. The entire tech compliment of the ship wasn't laid out on day one. Just as Spock's physiology wasn't. So there is room for a holodeck on the ship and a nictating eyelid in Spock's physiology,

Well, there is room for something new to be added, I have no problem with that.

I just need to know the limit of what is acceptable in this particular time period in the show. We apparently have a holodeck in Series 3, it's fine and done, but after that? (Ignoring the whole period-piece argument entirely)

Hypothetically, when we get to series 4, would it be ok to see EMH-like holograms wandering the ship? How about phasers materialising out of miniature transporter pads on an officer's wrist? The tech, in theory, is there for SNW to use.

 

[TRON JA307020]

In TAS it had the Rec deck which was the same principle. So...I don't see the problem.

I havent seen the animated episide since I was a kid. I do know the holograms were producted from a small projector. But the amimated series also had environmental belts instead of suits. Not all tech in TAS is canon.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Perhaps the Enterprise crew were asked to be part of Starfleet's beta test program for the belts. They ID'd problems and limitations. Or maybe somebody decided they didn't like 'em and became a trendsetter.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I havent seen the animated episide since I was a kid. I do know the holograms were producted from a small projector. But the amimated series also had environmental belts instead of suits. Not all tech in TAS is canon.

It wasn't a projector, really. They stood at a console, set it for what they wanted and the whole room changed into the setting they wanted, much like the holodeck, save for the console being in the middle of the room.

 

[fireproof78]

I havent seen the animated episide since I was a kid. I do know the holograms were producted from a small projector. But the amimated series also had environmental belts instead of suits. Not all tech in TAS is canon.

TAS is canon.

Therefore it is canon. There's no qualifier here. The environment was simulated enough to bury Uhura, Sulu and McCoy in snow.

It functions like the holodeck. It's canon to TOS unless one wants to pick and choose.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Perhaps the Enterprise crew were asked to be part of Starfleet's beta test program for the belts. They ID'd problems and limitations. Or maybe somebody decided they didn't like 'em and became a trendsetter.

Maybe someones belt got snagged on something and damaged and they died so they junked the belts.


Actually maybe starfleet did a Pike and realized the holodecks were too dangerous or easy to hack so they banned the technology for 100 years until tng's time where they were able to fix the flaws.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, there is room for something new to be added, I have no problem with that.

I just need to know the limit of what is acceptable in this particular time period in the show. We apparently have a holodeck in Series 3, it's fine and done, but after that? (Ignoring the whole period-piece argument entirely)

Hypothetically, when we get to series 4, would it be ok to see EMH-like holograms wandering the ship? How about phasers materialising out of miniature transporter pads on an officer's wrist? The tech, in theory, is there for SNW to use.

Again, you're pulling examples of a tech established in other shows as brand new. The "limit" will be different for each fan. So there will never be a hard fast line that can't be crossed. For me the limit is what is shown in TOS/TAS. SNW for the most part is using modern takes on that. They've struck the right balance so far.