Season 3 First Look

[DaveyNY]

Perhaps it just takes more than a shitload of computing power for the TNG version to be so lifelike and it wasn't until the huge Galaxy Class was designed along with enough excess power that it became viable within a starship.

Before that starships had a rudimentary version that was workable, but not as impressive because not only the computing power needed, but also the energy demand took power away from more important systems.

 

[Noname Given]

Perhaps it just takes more than a shitload of computing power for the TNG version to be so lifelike and it wasn't until the huge Galaxy Class was designed along with enough excess power that it became viable within a starship.

Before that starships had a rudimentary version that was workable, but not as impressive because not only the computing power needed, but also the energy demand took power away from more important systems.

The TNG 1701-D Holodeck got a major upgrade by the Binars in TNG S1 11001001.

 

[Sketcher]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but Kirk's murder mystery outfit looks to be a nod to his future monster maroon uniform. Maybe a bit of his Search for Spock outfit too.

 

[DaveyNY]

The TNG 1701-D Holodeck got a major upgrade by the Binars in TNG S1 11001001.

But didn't the changes revert after they left the ship.
I always thought it was their combined biomechanical computer minds that were actually driving Riker's program.

Minuet wasn't the same when Riker went back.

 

[fireproof78]

But didn't the changes revert after they left the ship.
I always thought it was their combined biomechanical computer minds that were actually driving Riker's program.

Minuet wasn't the same when Riker went back.

Just Minuet. She was a special program to safeguard the Bynars information and provide access to complete the mission.

The other upgrades were still intentional.

 

[DaveyNY]

Just Minuet. She was a special program to safeguard the Bynars information and provide access to complete the mission.

The other upgrades were still intentional.

I haven't watched that episode in awhile.

Weren't They onboard to supposedly upgrade the ships computer systems as a ruse and used the Holodeck to keep Riker busy so he wouldn't see them doing stuff needed for their own personal survival.

Guess I'll have to put that one on my watch list to refresh my memory.

 

[Phoenix219]

The TNG 1701-D Holodeck got a major upgrade by the Binars in TNG S1 11001001.

They installed Minuet, which I am assuming is the same realistic tech that gave rise to Moriarty.

 

[Mr J]

They're leaning very much into the different genres every week - I get that, it worked reasonably well before. I am hoping though they've just picked those bits for the trailer because they're promo-friendly and the season has more Trekky stories than the trailer implies in addition to the "fun" for balance across the season.

I get ST has always done the genre-bending to some extent but it should continue to develop its own ST voice as well. Classic ST had the longer seasons to balance out the different types of episode - SNW doesn't. I don't want the majority of episodes in that short run to be "ST does murder mystery, "ST does rom-com" etc etc.

 

[TRON JA307020]

That's been a glaring inconsistency throughout the entire franchise. Yes, everyone acts like the holodecks are new in TNG S1, but then we have the Voyager characters talking about using a holodeck in their childhoods. And then the characters on Lower Decks act like they're new again. Besides, we already saw a holodeck on Disco when they were still in the 23rd century.

And finally there's like no context here at all. Yes, we see what appears to be a TNG era holodeck grid, but for all we know this could be a time-wimey episode. Maybe the Enterprise somehow ends up in the 24th century? Maybe a 24th century ship has ended up in the 23rd century? Maybe we should wait until the episode airs before we cry Canon Violation and sharpen our knives?

Oh right, this is the Trek BBS, where rational discourse is not allowed. Silly me.

I gave an explanation. The holodeck as seem on tng just didnt exist in TOS. Picard is too amazed by it. Holography certainly existed but not on the level of TNG and the later Berman era shows. Im totally fine with Spock using a Vulcan holodeck or holoroom or in the first stages of experimenting with one.

 

[fireproof78]

I gave an explanation. The holodeck as seem on tng just didnt exist in TOS. Picard is too amazed by it. Holography certainly existed but not on the level of TNG and the later Berman era shows. Im totally fine with Spock using a Vulcan holodeck or holoroom or in the first stages of experimenting with one.

What features didn't exist? The rec room certainly mimicked environments very well.

 

[DaveyNY]

It seems that we're just talking about different levels of sophistication through time, as far as the Holodeck goes.

The one's built in to the E-D were obviously far superior to the original Enterprise ones just by the fact that the tech. had 80+ years to develop further.

They were still functional enough, even during the NX-01 Era, to provide the crew with a form of training/entertainment.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

I doubt that the NX-01 itself had a holodeck, but there might have been some primitive ones back on Earth. Miniaturization of the technology so it could fit in a spaceship would take a while, up til TAS, and as for the TNG "wonder" at the holodeck, well, if you teleported a guy in the eighties who was playing Pac-Man in front of a modern video game console they'd be pretty amazed, even if they had experience with their era's video games.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Holography did it to some limited extent in ENT. Reed mentions firing holographic bullets as being as effective as their phasers were against the Borg.

The dash-nothing's holodeck may not be able to create sophisticated holographic individuals yet. Part of me hopes for a name drop of the Xyrillians in the upcoming episode.

 

[Daedalus]

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I wish they had gone for a different shape or structure, and not the familiar style TNG grid. Perhaps an advanced version of the room on the Xyrillian ship. Even just emulating some of the patterns.

Discovery had a form of primitive holodeck and tried going in a different direction, at least.

I'm interested to see how the episode actually plays out, before complaining too much. Riker looked at the holodeck as if he's been stuck in a cave all his life, so I would like to think there is something that differentiates the technology of 2364 and 2260(?).

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

The dash-nothing's holodeck may not be able to create sophisticated holographic individuals yet. Part of me hopes for a name drop of the Xyrillians in the upcoming episode.

That's how it seemed in that TAS episode. They walk through various landscapes, and the obligatory malfunction is just a pit they fall in and a snowstorm. If they're running a murder mystery where the characters are just our guys in costumes, the holodeck only really needs to generate a dead body, which seems within the TAS-shown capabilities.

 

[UssGlenn]

so I would like to think there is something that differentiates the technology of 2364 and 2260(?).

something to keep in mind is that we are watching both versions of the Holodeck on TV. When they fim in the Volume, it looks very real on our screens, but in person, not so much. We can't see the difference between the Rec Room forest and Dixon Hill's New York, but the Characters can. Smells, more realistic long distance viewing, etc. Riker probably could see the back wall if he really looked for it before TNG.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I guess it just goes to show that no matter how far the technology advances, people are always going to complain about the uncanny valley.

 

[The Wormhole]

I wish they had gone for a different shape or structure, and not the familiar style TNG grid.

Memberberries, my dude. It's all about the memberberries. SNW might be fresh and innovative, but there's still nostalgia to serve. Therefore, if there is to be a holodeck, it'll be the TNG style grid rather than anything else. Even Lower Decks and Picard went back to the TNG despite seeing different types of empty holodecks on DS9 and Voyager.

 

[TRON JA307020]

What features didn't exist? The rec room certainly mimicked environments very well.

The TOS Enterprise didn't have a holodeck.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The TOS Enterprise didn't have a holodeck.

The TOS Enterprise and the TAS Enterprise are the same Enterprise. Just because we didn't see it during TOS doesn't mean it wasn't there. We never saw the bowling alley either.