Those pearls aren’t gonna clutch themselves, you know.You'd think it was an episode Deadwood featuring only Al Swearengen they way people react.
The F**k word in Star Trek
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Hell, TMP was a G-rated movie until the Director's Edition was released on DVD in 2001 and that film has two Starfleet officers painfully turned inside out and dying with shrieks of pain by a transporter.
Loads of gratuitous violence? Suitable for family viewing!
A hint of sex? Hide the women and children!
A hint of sex? Hide the women and children!
It wasn't renamed, but rather removed from the US Army and turned into a whole separate branch of the US military, complete with a new division within the Department of Defense, the Department of the Air Force run by the newly appointed Secretary of the Air Force or SECAF. Just like in recent years US Space Command was from the USAF turned into the US Space Force. Granted, in that case, the Space Force is still part of the Department of the Air Force and still answers to SECAF.
Not even. In 1966, “family oriented” meant Lost in Space or Gilligan’s Island — inane shit for the kiddies. Star Trek was aimed at adults. The fact it also appealed to lots of kids (like 6 year old me) who couldn’t stomach the kiddie garbage only points out how out of touch producers like Allen and Schwartz were.
Most kids didn’t and don’t like being talked down to. Star Trek didn’t talk down to us, at least not as bad as Dr. Smith and Skipper did.
Trying to expunge adult discourse from Star Trek is talking down to kids. Again.
Great point. Even TOS had occasional contemporary slang used that's easy to gloss over. Bad Treknobabble is as bad as any show using the effenheimer half a dozen times in an attempt to be "adult sci-fi". Story should always be first and the technobabble dilutes it. A strong story also negates the need for excessive profanity, since nobody was put off by "The Best of Both Worlds" for lacking Picard say "merde" in a noncomedic way upon realizing the Borg want his body to be the figurehead.
Then again, T2 managed to pull off the pottymouth in ways that even Total Recall and others hadn't, so balance and tone still play a big part.
Which only goes to show how much of a range Star Trek has had. It may have been originally aimed at adults, but in the end it had massive appeal for all ages, which then continued with the subsequent series. It maintained the status quo for decades. You could say it elevated the bar of what was possible with Sci-fi. And I think in general, it's been important for the franchise to remain accessible.
Which is partly why it stands out so much. Because up to then, there weren't F-Bombs in Trek.
Nearly a month ago . . .
One evening, going out to dinner with my father to a local Marie Callenders franchise (where we've known the owner since she was the kid out front, seating the guests), we were waiting to be seating, and there were three young ladies (late teens or early 20s) sitting next to us, who made it abundantly obvious that they were extremely fluent in "Army Creole."
It still is.
I'm not offended by it, but in Star Trek it comes across as really cringey. It reminds me of when we were kids and said curse words for the first time and acted like it made us big shots or that we finally transcended some kind of barrier. That's what it feels like in Star Trek: a little kid that finally used a curse word and feels big about it.
It's not the end of the world, but it's cringey in Trek.
It's not the end of the world, but it's cringey in Trek.
I have not seen that show and I don't even know which you're referring to.
When swearing is overused it loses its impact. Might as well not bother.
That's The Expanse, and that character is great. Her use of swearing makes her stand out from the other characters and she uses it to throw other people off because of how unexpected it is for someone with her appearance and in her position.
Because it's not sacred or special like Star Trek.
Because it's not sacred or special like Star Trek.
1960s, not 1860s.
It was very dated by then. The ballpoint was popularized in the late 1940s.That'd explain an old coworker/friend of mine from when I worked at NIH. He went there.
And was girls' pig tails in inkwells a 60s slang or was it already dated by then?
This quote from http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/527.htm needs to be included in this thread! From the beginning of DS9 "Rocks and Shoals":
Around 5th or 6th grade, in the early 1970s, I had a student desk that had an indentation where a bottle of ink could sit. Those desks had probably been used for 20 years.I know it was outdated by then. I didn't see any inkwells in those school nuclear blast drills videos.
So swearing is ok outside of Star Trek and only specific words?
This makes no sense to me. Star Trek is about the human adventure not the selectively censored human adventure.
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