Yeah, Stamets took it as the compliment that it was meant as. It was a totally natural exchange, especially given Stamets ego pre-mushroom trip. Like he was going to berate Tilly for giving him a compliment like that?
The F**k word in Star Trek
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I would like to hope it appeals to all ages. And I'm not wanting it dumbing down or anything.
Yes I have read that. The line of “Let's get the Hell out of here" in TOS for example. Very tame example.
As for the outfits I don't believe Ive seen them as revealing in recent star trek. The catsuits of the late 90's early 00's come to mind..
That was not a "tame" example in 1967 by any stretch. This was an era when showing a woman's navel on television would be the equivalent of showing a woman's areola today.
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Out of curiosity was the episode aired at the time still? Or was it censored?
It's not mine either but I do hear it in professional and home life on occasion.
I don't expect Trek to use it always, but I do don't think Trek should be so sanitized to ignore the occasional use. It's a word that is very human, and, as with any human experience, some will experience it greater or lesser extent.
There was no reason for it to be censored then just as there's no reason for "fuck" to be censored now, especially given the platform that it's on. But, yes, people reacted the same way then to that word being used as people are reacting now to the other word being used.
I'm certainly not saying we should censor the fucks, bastards, hells or bullshits.
Like I have previously stated the context matters. And the fact it has been established swearing is not that common by 23rd century. It does feel like we have teenagers writing the dialogue though. Every fuck I have heard so far in trek comes of jarring and immature.
And personally Id rather keep the fucks out of trek. One of my personal favourite swears for shock value is cunt, don't wanna hear that either in trek. Twat is another go to, but don't want hear that one either. Not because I find twat offensive, because no doubt it be pronounced the American way. Yuk.
Which is not supported by the film right before it, or the film before that.
It's rather amusing how the double standard works in Trek.
Profanity uttered by characters who are not Spock.
Kirk and McCoy both use mild swears. With Kirk having an emotional outburst after his son's murdered using a mid level swear that works for the scene.
Spock is not puzzled that there is swearing. He doesn't quite understand the context.
And the dialogue and Star Trek IV doesn't indicate that people don't swear in the 23rd century at all, it's just that they don't swear as much.
Spock noted an increase in Kirk's use of profanity, not the sudden and spontaneous beginning of the use of profanity.
Spock noted an increase in Kirk's use of profanity, not the sudden and spontaneous beginning of the use of profanity.
What does the source of the swear have to to do with the statement " And the fact it has been established swearing is not that common by 23rd century."?
Bastard is a mild swear?
Son of a bitch is a mild swear?
So, if Spock is not puzzled by profanity then would that not indicate it's not rare and occurs enough for him to be familiar with it?
Also, the slang "bloody" was used to in TOS. Last I checked that had a different slang connotation.
Chief Vanderberg of Janus VI referred to the Mother Horta as a "the bloody thing." (TOS: "The Devil in the Dark")
Harry Mudd claimed that the Denebians had "no respect for private property" after "they damaged the bloody spaceship" that he had stolen. (TOS: "I, Mudd")
Another thing about Tilly's line is that it was indeed shown to be a minor breach in protocol, and Tilly immediately realized it, it just wasn't that big of a deal.
Let me clarify. Swearing has been used in TOS and films, with it being mildish to medium swears. It's hardly used in common dialogue.
Spock notes to Kirk he has changed his use of language whilst arriving in 1980's. Implying it is not common.
Not like TOS era and films were written by quentin tarantino.
Klingon motherfucker, do you speak it?
Spock notes to Kirk he has changed his use of language whilst arriving in 1980's. Implying it is not common.
Mild to medium in my book
Not like TOS era and films were written by quentin tarantino.
Klingon motherfucker, do you speak it?
And yet people want Tarantino to write a Trek film.
Again, I'm guessing this is an IDIC moment because I don't see the issue, I don't think any swearing in Trek is a sign of contemporary language, and not advocating for a Tarantino style dialog, nor do I believe Trek has gotten anywhere close to that with occasional F word use.
No Trek project sounds like it was written by Tarantino. I'll bet even his Trek film wouldn't sound like it was.
Honestly, characters swearing or just talking like normal people is one of my favourite parts of TOS, Enterprise and NuTrek. It makes characters so much more relatable.
When Jonathan Archer starting throwing around son of a bitch, it did more to humanize him than any speech about gazelles.
When Jonathan Archer starting throwing around son of a bitch, it did more to humanize him than any speech about gazelles.
Are people still wanting that?
Yes.
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