Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]
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If you say so.
I believe Filoni has said it's a can't.
And then other things.
The Ezra that pulls Ahsoka into the Void is from two years into the future from her point of view. They interact and converse.
That's time travel.
No, that's travel from one place to another.
Yes, they both travel from one place to another. Their two origins are places separated by both space and time. Then they both travel to a shared space and time.
There's a much simpler explanation for that: I call it "lazy writing".
When you go from normal space-time, to a place where time has no meaning, and then back to where you left plus whatever subjective time you experienced while there, you have not in fact travelled in time . . . at least no more than everything does, all the time. Encountering someone in the Void that just left a different point in time, who also returned to the point they left doesn't change that fact because again, in the Void (and within the Cosmic Force in general), time has no meaning.
The only thing (besides information) that arguably travelled in time is Ezra's hand, for one brief moment when he grabbed Ahsoka, which is pretty borderline and could be easily hand-waved (no pun intended.)
The fact of the matter is that at the end of 'Twilight of the Apprentice' we saw Ahsoka back on Malachor, descending into the catacombs, just like she would later be shown to do in 'World Between Worlds'. So causality was never affected. In other words: "It will be happened; it shall be going to be happening; it will be was an event that could will have been taken place in the future. Simple as that."
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Memories/information and a hand traveled through time. So we agree. 
Thank you for reminding me. I'm not sure how that can be considered borderline or waved away. If Ezra's hand did not travel through time, then how could he possibly have exerted influence on Ahsoka in her time period? A small piece of Ezra from one year was briefly in another, earlier year.
Do we really know this for a fact or is it more of an assumption?
Well, it's a hand, so of course it can be waved away!Tosk said:
Do go look up the word "arguably" in the dictionary. I used it for a reason.Memories/information and a hand traveled through time. So we agree.
Literal borderline conditions. Who's to say the event horizon of the portal was a static flat disc and not a movable four dimensional plain that rotated along it's three dimension axis to encompass Ahsoka's shoulder as Ezra reached out for it both physically and though the force?
Though do we really need to get into a discussion on the physics of magical time windows and space wizards? The point is that the dramatic and narrative intent of the scene is clear. That's all that really matters.
As for information travelling back in time: that's already an established fact of Star Wars and has been since 'The Empire Strikes Back', so nothing new there.
Regarding Ezra's hand, it's easy to fall back on that old standby that it was "the will of the Force", but given the presence and the prompting of Morai, an actual avatar of a Force God, I think that explanation works quite nicely in this case. Could Ezra have done that under other circumstances? Probably not.
As to what would have happened had Ezra accepted the offer to stay with his parents, I believe he just would have disappeared into the World Between Worlds living out a fantasy life that would have been no more real than Ahsoka's Clone Wars flashbacks were.
As to what would have happened had Ezra accepted the offer to stay with his parents, I believe he just would have disappeared into the World Between Worlds living out a fantasy life that would have been no more real than Ahsoka's Clone Wars flashbacks were.
That Ahsoka is pulled through a window by a boy from her future?
If Ezra can't even do that without the blessing of Morai/the Force, it makes the whole scene with the portal to Kanan somewhat pointless. At that point, the conversation between Ezra and Ahsoka has a certain explicit tenor: it's not that he can't do anything, it's that he shouldn't.Turtletrekker said:
Yeah, Morai is a pretty big x-factor in all of this. We know she can get in and out of the Void at will (after all, how else does she keep appearing on different planets at just the right time?) but she seemingly can't pull other people in herself, since she had to prompt Ezra into action. Which seems to track with the idea that the light side of the Force (and by extension; The Daughter) is a passive force. It can guide, but it cannot act directly, and especially not selfishly.
She did however seem to activate the Malachor portal to that specific place and time, so she has some ability to influence the void if nothing else.
No extra credit for obtuseness.
I'm not being obtuse. I understand your position and I disagree with it.
In my estimation, "Ahsoka is pulled through a window by a boy from her future" covers the facts as we're shown them without leaning too far in either direction regarding "Is there time travel in Star Wars?".
If that's for me, I didn't say she was pulled into the future. I said she was pulled through a window by a boy from her future.
But that doesn't matter because they both were in a space where time doesn't exist.
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