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Kurtzman intentionally killed Legacy?
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You know, I would actually bet that the series would be unsuccessful if it was ever likely to have been a thing.
What "the masses" and indeed myself during the initial airing salivated at was the nostalgia trip all these characters we recognised being paraded before us was a big dopamine hit, but fans of the plot of Picard season 3? I would wager are a lot fewer. Fans of the Jack Crusher character who would be essentially the protagonist of the hypothetical follow up show? Probably not many. People were very unkind towards Raffi, will they suddenly change their mind with her in a new setting? Unlikely.
I hate to say that people don't know what they want, but I do think when it comes to the demands for Legacy there's a slight delusion for lack of a better word in regards to what it is they will actually get unless every episode is a procession of cameos to distract from the actual series.
I could be entirely wrong, my own perspective may indeed cloud my judgement here, but I'd postulate that the execs at Paramount see what it is that brought the viewers to Picard season 3 and won't greenlight a very expensive follow up series that won't provide that.
It should be noted even reviewers who were generally positive about Picard S3 still slammed the season's story as its greatest weakness. Indeed, it's clear they didn't put much effort into the story, knowing everyone was tuning in specifically for the TNG reunion.
That does tend to be a thing we hear about any new project, or any new proposal. Starfleet Academy has a lot of people saying this too, but this is comes from a preconceived notion that it will just be more of what came before, and fans have been rough on DSC over the years. We can't tell what a new series will be like until it happens, and basing it on what came before seems a bit premature to me. Very premature, in the case of Legacy.
Im always will to give anything a chance, even a Section 31 sequel.
I remember that a few reviewers did actually prefer S3 Raffi to the previous seasons. Her and Dorn supposedly had the chemistry that softened some of her rougher edges. I much prefer S3 Raffi to S1 Raffi, as she seemed to get her shit together. Mileage, as always, but I liked her eventually.
Jack is ok. I dont know if he'd be the main character or not. If its supposedly going to be another nostalgia-fest, i doubt it would have time for a main character.
As for the plot? A bit generic, but i liked it. Again, mileage.
I've had similar feelings myself, that's why I think a Legacy-like follow up would probably be best served in a tv movie format. Kurtzman appeared positive(?) about the idea in one of the Section 31 interviews.
Also, based on a few interviews with Tawny Newsome, her Picard-era comedy sounds like it will be more Legacy than Legacy. The setting and era was deliberately chosen for gratuitous cameos, providing it actually does become a thing.
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Works for me. If we do see Raffi again, I'd like to hope that relations with her family are further repaired, especially with Gabriel.
I felt season 3 regressed Raffi, she had her shit together by season 2 and she was in this relationship with Seven by the end, back in Starfleet, Elnor alive and well. But then I liked Raffi from the outset.
Then suddenly she's broke up and we cycle back to referencing her former addictions. The less said about the nonsensical timeline placement and her rapidly aging grandchild the better.
If I may circle back to a more positive post, Raffi had a character arc and was left in a good place by the end of season 2. We were left with further room for her to grow as a Starfleet officer, maybe taking up command of the Excelsior following Elnor's graduation so she can keep an eye on him.
Then suddenly she's broke up and we cycle back to referencing her former addictions. The less said about the nonsensical timeline placement and her rapidly aging grandchild the better.
If I may circle back to a more positive post, Raffi had a character arc and was left in a good place by the end of season 2. We were left with further room for her to grow as a Starfleet officer, maybe taking up command of the Excelsior following Elnor's graduation so she can keep an eye on him.
Growth is not always a linear progression.
People sometimes backslide. They sometimes regress and make sidetrips. That's life.
True. Some characters don't get arcs they get circles like John Constantine but that works for them and you see them loop round.
And suddenly theyre back to square one next time you see them is less satisfying for me. Johnny Klebbitz at the end of Lost and Damned seemed to have sorted his life out. President of his biker gang, had sort of stabilised his relationship and was off the drugs. Then 5 years later he's only vice president, on more drugs than ever before and his relationship has reset back.
Throwing growth away off screen should warrant some explanation barring oh well guess it didnt work out try not to think about it. Time skips irritate me I need to know everything.
I’ve said this before, but season 3’s story indulges in so many bad fanfic tropes and temptations that I would be fucking embarrassed to write in my fic series.
And then some.
Kirk cycling in TMP and TWOK must be annoying
And like I've also said before, Picard S3 is very similar to the kind of fanfic I wrote when I was 12. Even the season's thing of pilfering music from the franchise's greatest hits is how I imagined hypothetical movie versions of my fics.
I at least have the excuse of still being a child at the time and this was just a different form of playing with Star Trek toys, in a manner of speaking. That excuse can't be applied to the industry professionals who worked on the season however.
Season 3 was my favorite PIC season. I had no problem with Jack as a character, although I'm still flummoxed as to why Beverly didn't tell Picard about him. That's really my only problem with this.
If there's a reason why Beverly should have deliberately kept Jack's existence a secret from his father, I'm not aware of it.
If there's a reason why Beverly should have deliberately kept Jack's existence a secret from his father, I'm not aware of it.
Well, as we all know fans can produce Star Trek much better than professionals.
Everyone who produces Star Trek is a professional, fan or otherwise. Except for Gene's lawyer.
Yes.
I didn't say otherwise. I was referring to the grand tradition of us armchair quarterbacking production decisions.
Season 3 was my favorite PIC season. I had no problem with Jack as a character, although I'm still flummoxed as to why Beverly didn't tell Picard about him. That's really my only problem with this.
If there's a reason why Beverly should have deliberately kept Jack's existence a secret from his father, I'm not aware of it.
Picard is an Admiral in Starfleet (and a celebrity in-universe).
If word ever got out that he did the nasty with his Chief Medical Officer, there would've been a scandal (aside from the fact that he outranks her).
There was also the matter of the Borg (THEY had an interest in Jack as well).
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