Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[HotRod]

The SNW shuttlebay is massively oversized, as is engineering which they admit on their own internal layouts for the show.

Gotta accept it's a fantasy ship, that no tv/film sets in any show really fit where they're supposed to and will sprout whatever sized rooms an episode needs

I did say that it solves most issues. I'm aware of the Engineering issue, but I don't think I've seen anybody take a crack at measuring the size of the Shuttlebay. Granted, I'll definitely agree that it certainly does seem too big. That, or the shuttles are too small.

I still think the most egregious scaling issue is in TMP. The saucer rim is supposed to have two decks....

Either everyone in the landing party is 9ft tall, or the rooms at the edge of the saucer are really small....

But they're not.

 

[Citiprime]

The SNW shuttlebay is massively oversized, as is engineering which they admit on their own internal layouts for the show.

Gotta accept it's a fantasy ship, that no tv/film sets in any show really fit where they're supposed to and will sprout whatever sized rooms an episode needs

If I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, the other thing that plays into this about the shuttle bay is that you have to somehow make sense of the DOZENS of shuttle pods and shuttle craft they launched at the end of DSC season 2 for the battle against Control.

But where do they store them all in that shuttle bay?

Even if you go with the oversized proportions, I STILL don’t think there’s enough room for what we saw onscreen.

 

[Daedalus]

Just go with what makes the most sense in your head.

The one thing about the TOS exterior that allows some flexibility, is that there's nothing to denote size. Not that I can see, anyway. It's too plain.

With the TMP Enterprise, you have the airlock. And we can determine the size of the ship based on the size of a human next to it.

It's because of this that I cant see the exterior being much bigger than 300-350m.

This is based purely on one shot, from one scene. Other shots, such as the TMP saucer walk, will contradict it.

So, just go with whatever.

 

[HotRod]

If I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, the other thing that plays into this about the shuttle bay is that you have to somehow make sense of the DOZENS of shuttle pods and shuttle craft they launched at the end of DSC season 2 for the battle against Control.

But do they store them all in that shuttle bay?

Even if you go with the oversized proportions, I STILL don’t think there’s enough room for what we saw onscreen.

Yeah, that whole thing with the massive amount of shuttlepods or fighters.... whatever those things were...... was dumb. But, storage for them can be rationalized by them also having the massive Cargo bay that takes up a significant amount of space in the belly of the secondary hull, stuffed to the gills with the things. One could assume there's access between the two spaces.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe they store all the fighters in the massive amounts of empty space in the turbolift funhouse?

 

[HotRod]

Maybe they store all the fighters in the massive amounts of empty space in the turbolift funhouse?

Much like Deck 78, I choose to ignore that..... because it's dumb.

 

[Daedalus]

Von Neumann craft. They self replicate synthesise.

 

[Tuskin38]

TrekCulture thought the Andorian in the bedroom fight scene was naked, but he's just wearing blue pants almost the same shade of his skin lol

 

[Tuskin38]

When you view SNW as a dramatically fictionalized version of the actual fiction of the TOS era, it makes more sense.

TOS is also a dramatized version of events. If you go by what Roddenberry said in the 70s at least.

as is engineering which they admit on their own internal layouts for the show.

There is a shuttle for scale on the top image here (appears to be a DSC shuttle?)

Bringing it back to S31

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Planet Minos (...Korva Prime), homeworld of the Minosians in the original version of #StarTrekTNG's "The Arsenal of Freedom"↖️, the remastered version of the episode ↗️ and #StarTrekSection31 ⬇️.

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Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

A weapons display in Georgiou's office on the Baraam in #StarTrekSection31 features four familiar pistols: A "Star Trek V/VI" assault phaser ↖️, a #StarTrekTOS type 2 phaser ("The Cloud Minders"↗️), a "Star Trek III" phaser ↙️ and a Suliban pistol (#StarTrekENT's "Shockwave II"↘️).

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Jörg has identified a couple other ships around the Baraam, Seven of Nine's Fenris Ranger ship and Majalan shuttles from SNW

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Among the ships hovering around the Baraam in #StarTrekSection31 ⬆️ are Fenris Ranger ships, like Seven's ship in #StarTrekPicard's "Absolute Candor"↙️ and several Majalan shuttles (the smaller variety), as seen in #StarTrekSNW's "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"↘️.

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[El Maestro]

Star Trek has always been redressing sets to use as something else. Half the time we see another bridge on TNG, it was usually a redress of the TOS movie bridge. To say nothing of the fact that aside from the Enterprise D's bridge, all the sets seen in Picard S3 were from the previous two seasons.

Or is your issue that they used the Disco bridge specifically?

Yep…TFF and TUC use so much of the TNG sets that you could be forgiven for thinking it’s the E-D.

 

[Dukhat]

TOS is also a dramatized version of events. If you go by what Roddenberry said in the 70s at least.

If one wants to go by Roddenberry’s interpretation, sure. But that only means that TMP is what everything actually looked like, since that interpretation didn’t go past that point.

 

[Dar70]

I did say that it solves most issues. I'm aware of the Engineering issue, but I don't think I've seen anybody take a crack at measuring the size of the Shuttlebay. Granted, I'll definitely agree that it certainly does seem too big. That, or the shuttles are too small.

I still think the most egregious scaling issue is in TMP. The saucer rim is supposed to have two decks....

Either everyone in the landing party is 9ft tall, or the rooms at the edge of the saucer are really small....

But they're not.

I always assumed for TMP the windows were at head/ceiling or floor height and the black layers was either the top/bottom of the deck. The saucer has 7 layers separated by the black/grey colors. So 3.5 layers per deck?

 

[F. King Daniel]

There is a shuttle for scale on the top image here (appears to be a DSC shuttle?)

Here is a tweet a can't link directly because the guy locked his account.

Also remember the 100 fighters she somehow fitted in Discovery season 2. And the Turbolift Funhouse in the "Q&A" Short Trek.

 

[Firebird]

Much like Deck 78, I choose to ignore that..... because it's dumb.

This can also apply to Inglorious Trekspert's pay-only podcast of the same name. I approve.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Joke, I believe. The network is the medical professionals available through your insurance.

And Culber was literally in the mycelial network for a while.

Ah I see. Thanks.

One, it's a joke.

Two, Culber was in the mycileal realm for a while before being restored and no longer being dead.

Ah I see. Thanks. I forgot about that. The story didn't leave much of an impression on me.

 

[JD]

The most credible theory I have heard is that they do it to cover the flaws that would show up because of the higher resolution camera's and screens now in use.

Of course, given we saw the Enterprise D's bridge on screen in Picard Season 3 and it looked absolutely beautiful, I'm not sure how much credibility to give that now.

Yeah, that could be it. I'm pretty sure that's why both the first Pacific Rim and the first Godzilla movie's final battles are at night, they wanted to cover up some lower quality CGI.

Does nobody remember Dr Pollard? In 16 episodes, literally a third series run, beginning in the first season? She's never specifically called CMO, but Culber always deferred to her.

Tracy Pollard

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I could have sworn they specifically called her the CMO, but Memory Alpha doesn't mention it at all.

Here is a tweet a can't link directly because the guy locked his account.

Also remember the 100 fighters she somehow fitted in Discovery season 2. And the Turbolift Funhouse in the "Q&A" Short Trek.

I'm usually pretty forgiving with technical stuff like that, but the Turbolift Funhouses in Disco were even too much for me, they were just beyond ridiculous.

 

[Tosk]

I'm pretty sure that's why both the first Pacific Rim and the first Godzilla movie's final battles are at night, they wanted to cover up some lower quality CGI.

Your theory is that they somehow knew they were going to have "lower quality CGI" in the finale, and therefore planned the story accordingly?

 

[Noname Given]

Again, this movie was made only because Yeoh still wanted to do it. There was no contract. While I’m not privy to Kurtzman’s thought processes, I would very much like it if he learned the lesson that you shouldn’t cater to people just because they want a vanity project. He didn’t learn that lesson with Patrick Stewart, so here’s hoping he did learn something here before Tawny’s pet project gets the green light.

You never want to burn your bridges with a high profile Oscar winning actress. You never know when a situation will come up where she's perfect for something you're doing in the future.

And Section 31 is far from the worst Star Trek produced in the Kurtzman or Berman eras.

 

[JD]

Your theory is that they somehow knew they were going to have "lower quality CGI" in the finale, and therefore planned the story accordingly?

I just remember when they came out people talked about how they set their big battles at night so you couldn't tell that the CGI wasn't that good, or something along those lines.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Personally I'd rather risk seeing some awkward CGI than have it turn into an audio drama.