To be fair, I think Coto's fanwank is more palatable than Lord Terry's fanwank.
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Well, pretty much everything is.
'Ex Post Facto' (VOY) was a retread of 'A Matter of Perspective' (TNG)
It got good in Season 3.
There's just so much content out there that the opportunity cost of spending hours and hours watching something you don't like is staggering. It's all triage picking what to watch as it is. And this is why streamers love franchises. Done well, they go to the front of the line for an existing fan. Dexter? Years invested itnthat so I'm bought in and care. Random other Showtime / P+ show? Just another name to add to the watchlist with series in the triple digits.
Because of seasons 3 and 4, ENT > VGR for me.
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Personally I feel all of that is too much Trek. Even though seasons are less than half of what they used to be, they have more concepts floating around all at once.
I wish they would have deep sixed all the series and just do a movie every few years. Either that or just put an end to Trek for the foreseeable future. It's just has not been all that good these last nine or ten years. It needs a TRUE break. The four years between Enterprise and Kelvin Trek was not enough imo. Maybe 10 or 15 and reboot the entire thing. I should be close to dead by that point....
Of topic, but when Stargate did their take on that storyline, it really is a very thinly veiled rewrite of Ex Post Facto.
More palatable, but not as enjoyable.
The Vulcan trilogy was pretty good, though. I like season 3 a tad more than season 4, but that trio makes it a tougher call. I’m sure that, at least, is stronger than the more iffy episodes of Picard S3.
Specifically the sixth and seventh, especially the former.
Nothing about Picard was enjoyable.
And I would argue the only "fanwank" in Enterprise was the Soong/Augments stuff, and that didn't work at all. The other stuff: T'Pau, Mirror, Darkly was integrated organically and had a logical reason for being there.
There was that other thing at the end there. But EVERYONE hates that.
Where as Picard was:
- Let's use the WOK font for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's use the FC music for no reason what-so ever.
-Let's bring back a minor character for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's have the "refit" of a ship look like and old popular ship for no reason what-so-ever, despite the fact that's not how refits work.
- Let's cast the daughter of an actor of a popular villain and have her invoke all his mannerisms for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's ressurect and old popular "ship" for no reason what-so-ever, despite the fact it completely nullifies the ONE GOOD THING to come out of the first two seasons.
So on an so forth.
Picard season 3 doesn't hold a fucking candle to Enterprise season 4, TATV included.
And I would argue the only "fanwank" in Enterprise was the Soong/Augments stuff, and that didn't work at all. The other stuff: T'Pau, Mirror, Darkly was integrated organically and had a logical reason for being there.
There was that other thing at the end there. But EVERYONE hates that.
Where as Picard was:
- Let's use the WOK font for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's use the FC music for no reason what-so ever.
-Let's bring back a minor character for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's have the "refit" of a ship look like and old popular ship for no reason what-so-ever, despite the fact that's not how refits work.
- Let's cast the daughter of an actor of a popular villain and have her invoke all his mannerisms for no reason what-so-ever.
- Let's ressurect and old popular "ship" for no reason what-so-ever, despite the fact it completely nullifies the ONE GOOD THING to come out of the first two seasons.
So on an so forth.
Picard season 3 doesn't hold a fucking candle to Enterprise season 4, TATV included.
Dayum.
Well, all I can say to that - and to all the people who are liking your post! - is that I wish you enjoyed the season even half as much as I did. So it goes.
It’s still not my favorite season of modern Star Trek; that honor (such as it is) belongs to Strange New Worlds’ first. But it’s up there.
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I'd toss the Klingon forehead storyline in there as well. But yeah, things like the Vulcan arc, the Romulan drone ship arc or the Demons/Terra Prime storyline, which technically do fit the definition of fanwank also interesting new insights into the world Enterprise is set in and the Star Trek universe in general, so season 4 has that going for it.
That's not part of the Augments?
Well, sort of. What I thought you were referring to when you said "the Soong/Augments stuff" was the trilogy early in the season consisting of the episodes Borderlands, Cold Station 12 and The Augments. The Klingon foreheads were dealt in the two parter from the middle of the season consisting of the episodes Affliction and Divergence. Which, yes, does carry on from plot threads from the Augment trilogy, though IMO, is a separate storyline.
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I think deriding Enterprise season 4 for "fan wank" is like complaining that "they're putting Star Trek in my Star Trek". The whole point of the show was that it was supposed to be leading up to certain events. Was it fan wank in Revenge of the Sith when Anakin turned into Darth Vader? I just wish that they had spread out these things a little bit more over the course of the four seasons so it didn't all come out at the end.
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all of the 'fanwank ' in ENT season 4 is partially why it's my favourite season of ENT. And still haven't forgiven them for cancelling it.
And I agree Coto was better at it than Matalas. I didn't like Matalas's habit of bringing back legacy characters just to kill them off
And I agree Coto was better at it than Matalas. I didn't like Matalas's habit of bringing back legacy characters just to kill them off
I mean, Season 4 is ok, if heavy on the fanwank, but would have been easier to take if Season 1 wasn't so bad.
Anakin's story was the framework of the whole prequel series. That was the framing device. I don't know if Enterprise set up being the lead in to such things shown in Season 3 and 4, but it definitely framed itself oddly from Broken Bow forward.
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