Poll Do you intend to watch SECTION 31?

[nightwind1]

That was very vague, even coming in knowing it was not a full review. It was bad like show X from franchise Y.

Who the hell is Dan Leckie, and why should I give two figs about his thoughts?

 

[Kor]

You lost me right there.

Burnett exemplifies the worst drives and behavior of Trek fandom, and he - or anyone in his orbit for that matter - are the absolute last people I'd depend on for opinions for anything new.

Indeed.

Who the hell is Dan Leckie, and why should I give two figs about his thoughts?

This is how I feel about the vast majority of online "reviewers" of TV and movies.

Kor

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it’s kind of telling – but certainly not surprising, coming from someone in Burnett’s orbit – that he compares it to two panned female-led shows. It’s a small wonder he was able to stop himself there and didn’t also bring up The Marvels, Supergirl and the 2016 Ghostbusters for good measure.

I checked his Bluesky account, and he does share some opinions about female-led series: Michael Burnham is his favourite captain and The Acolyte is his favourite Star Wars show, or at least it was 7 months ago. So that makes the complaints in his review even more mysterious. He could've at least told us what Jodie Whittaker episode he's referring to!

Who the hell is Dan Leckie, and why should I give two figs about his thoughts?

I'd not heard about him until now, but he's apparently a Star Trek podcaster and Memory Alpha admin who's written for Star Trek Explorer magazine. I guess you should care about his thoughts if you want to know what other people think about the film, especially as there aren't many others out there who've seen it and shared their opinions.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I checked his Bluesky account, and he does share some opinions about female-led series: Michael Burnham is his favourite captain and The Acolyte is his favourite Star Wars show, or at least it was 7 months ago. So that makes the complaints in his review even more mysterious. He could've at least told us what Jodie Whittaker episode he's referring to!


I'd not heard about him until now, but he's apparently a Star Trek podcaster and Memory Alpha admin who's written for Star Trek Explorer magazine. I guess you should care about his thoughts if you want to know what other people think about the film, especially as there aren't many others out there who've seen it and shared their opinions.

Low sample size

Your info makes him seem disingenuous.

 

[fireproof78]

Low sample size

Your info makes him seem disingenuous.

The info is just odd. It's too vague to carry any sort of meaning, and basically goes with the worst possible scenario. It's absurd.

Not sure why it should carry any weight, because this guy didn't share anything that would make sense to someone without reading all his reviews on these matters.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Yeah, I'm certainly not going to argue that we've got conclusive proof that it's a terrible movie. But the sample size only goes up when people like this share their thoughts, so now we've got more data than we did.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, I'm certainly not going to argue that we've got conclusive proof that it's a terrible movie. But the sample size only goes up when people like this share their thoughts, so now we've got more data than we did.

Which no data at all.

 

[Michael]

Well, two teasers/trailers, a few months worth of behind-the-scenes reporting and interviews is not “nothing”, I guess. It at least gives me an idea that this might be a total clusterfuck. But ultimately you still gotta wait and watch the damn thing with your own eyes before really forming a conclusive opinion. I’m not just gonna assume it’s a definitive flop on trailers, reporting, interviews and reviews alone. I still will want to see it myself. At least that’s my thinking.

I believe he's talking about the newest "let's see if it really happens" Star Trek theatrical movie.

Ah, you might be right. My google-fu has betrayed me, because looking closer what I found was merely some Star Wars fan film from years ago.

Then it’s even more baffling that he would be talking about some hypothetical Trek production as if it’s a thing that’s definitely going to happen.

 

[Danlav05]

So we have a ship nerd, a uniform nerd and here's a continuity nerd checking in. I'm really anxious to see how successfully they can connect the Section 31 of Discovery to the Section 31 of Deep Space 9.

The trouble is I know how I like my Trek, and I know it. I grew up in the 90s with the Movies, TNG, DS9 and VOY

My interest peaked again when they were doing the 2009 movie ,followed TrekMoviedotcom daily.

During the 'Wilderness Years' (phrase nicked from Doctor Who) my favourite fan films were Hidden Frontier, New Voyages and Renegades-the latter for the oldies coming back

Obviously DSC came along, it was ok, but even before it really became TNG Continues I was obsess with PCD.

I did like Prodigy as a Voyager sequel, and Lower Decks was wonderful, plus even though TOS nostalgia isnt much bait to me as some, I have enjoyed what I have seen of SNW, particularly Subspace Rhapsody and Those Old Scientists.

What peaked my interest with Starfleet Academy is the EMH will be there, but I'm glad to have anew movie, bringing the subject back to Section 31.

YESI AM a hard taskmaster but I do love Star Trek and I ain't no K MUST GO! No really :P

 

[Noname Given]

That’s my main issue with most of the NuTrek content. If executives decide that Star Trek needs to shift from portraying a hopeful future to a grittier, more sinister atmosphere, they’re free to do so. If they want to focus on representing gay and trans characters, I don’t mind at all…

The problem arises when the franchise falls behind in terms of good screenwriting, cinematography, and character development. Discovery isn’t underwhelming because of its themes, but because of its artistic execution. They’ve had ample time and funding to deliver episodes that at least match the quality of excellent contemporary TV productions.

Yes, it’s fair to say we haven’t seen Section 31 yet and shouldn’t judge the movie before its release. However, I disagree with waiting to form an opinion when all signs point to yet another instance of mediocre entertainment. I just can’t look forward to watching a show with such limited potential.

If I’m wrong, and Section 31 turns out to be a success and a shining example of good modern Trek, I’ll gladly stand corrected. But this is about managing expectations so I don’t get disappointed again. It has nothing to do with ‘hate watching.’ You can’t expect me to hype up a movie in a franchise that has consistently shown flaws in its recent outings.

Welcome to how this TOS fan felt as more info about the TNG pilot and series came out in 1987.

Was totally underwhelmed with Encounter At Farpoint and TNG in general as it was nothing like TOS.

But obviously enough new Trek fans in 1987 existed to the point that 37 years later, after a hackneyed 3rd season of Picard that honestly was a mess beyond ALL the nostalgia beats - a bunch of its old fans are clamoring for a 'Legacy' series.

I've been a Star Trek fan since 1969 when I as a young child saw part of TOS S3 first run on NBC.

So yeah I know and have experienced the:

OMG! NOT TREK! / OMG! THEY'RE RUINING TREK!

Fan Gatekeeper cycle about 5 times now.

10 - 20 years from now, after the Kurtzman Trek era is done, and someone new reboots the Trek franchise yet again, Kurtzman Trek will be held up as the example of "TRUE TREK" and whatever new version appears, it'll be the derided as

"Destroying the Trek Franchise"

And the cycle will begin again.

So yeah, enjoy your current outrage and bring it up to all the new Trek fans who don't know any better (yet).
^^^
And be sure to Hate Watch so you can express your outrage with examples.

Now: GET OFF MY LAWN!

 

[NCC-73515]

So we have a ship nerd, a uniform nerd and here's a continuity nerd checking in. I'm really anxious to see how successfully they can connect the Section 31 of Discovery to the Section 31 of Deep Space 9.

I'm a ship, prop, makeup, costume, set, sound, music, continuity nerd. I guess the one thing I don't care about is hairstyling.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Welcome to how this TOS felt as more info about the TNG pilot and series came out in 1987.

Was totally underwhelmed with Encouter At Fapoint and TNG in general as it was nothing like TOS.

But obviously enough new Trek fans in 1987 existenced to the point that 37 years later, after a hackneyed 3rd season of Picard that honestly was a mess beyond ALL the nostalgia beats - a bunch of its old fans are clamoring for a 'Legacy' series.

I've been a Star Trek fan since 1969 when I as a young child saw part of TOS S3 first run on NBC.

So yeah I know and have experienced the:

OMG! NOT TREK! / OMG! THEY'RE RUINING TREK!

Fan Gatekeeper cycle about 5 times now.

10 - 20 years from now, after the Kurtzman Trek era is done, and someone new reboots the Trek franchise yet again, Kurtzman Trek will be held up as the example of "TRUE TREK" and whatever new version appears, it'll be the derided as

"Destroying the Trek Franchise"

And the cycle will begin again.

So yeah, enjoy your current outrage and bring it up to all the new Trek fans who don't know any better (yet).
^^^
And be sure to Hate Watch so you cab express your outrage with examples.

Now: GET OFF MY LAWN!

So much of this. Or, if I may cross franchise streams for a moment, "all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again". I mean, I can't say that I don't understand the issues that certain portions of the fan base are having with new Trek, it's just that these are issues that I've already worked out for myself a very long time ago and they don't bother me anymore.

I'm a ship, prop, makeup, costume, set, sound, music, continuity nerd. I guess the one thing I don't care about is hairstyling.

You've just offended and alienated the entire "Pike's Peak" portion of the fandom.

 

[NCC-73515]

That reminds me, I did dislike the early SNW Spock sideburns!

 

[I am not Spock]

Of course I'll watch it. It's Trek. Although I do have concerns about it. Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised

 

[Firebird]

I’m seeing folks on Bluesky saying that Paramount is locking the movie behind the bundle subscription with Showtime.

For something I was in the “I’ll watch it if it’s on P+” opinion of, that puts me off entirely. I’m not paying extra for this.

 

[JLA]

I’m seeing folks on Bluesky saying that Paramount is locking the movie behind the bundle subscription with Showtime.

For something I was in the “I’ll watch it if it’s on P+” opinion of, that puts me off entirely. I’m not paying extra for this.

Oh, no. That's not nice at all.

 

[fireproof78]

I’m seeing folks on Bluesky saying that Paramount is locking the movie behind the bundle subscription with Showtime.

For something I was in the “I’ll watch it if it’s on P+” opinion of, that puts me off entirely. I’m not paying extra for this.

That be news, especially to their advertising:

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I'll see this. Nothing about it has really excited me, but I've watched every Trek there is, so why stop now?

 

[Vulcanoid]

I have P+ so why not? I mean it's a good excuse to stop watching Bar Rescue for the bajillionth time, and no matter what I'm just glad to see Yeoh have another gig because she's always put in the work. Though this makes me want a Trek film with Cynthia Rothrock in it to even the score.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Not a full review, but a few days ago Robert Meyer Burnett re-posted some comments by Dan Leckie, editor and writer on warpfactortrek.com:

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Kor

RMB said Axanar was the best Star Trek script ever written. He got very upset over Carl. His opinion is worthless.