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Doctor Who and crossovers. What would you have liked to have seen?

Hang on a minute...

Bill and Ted aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, how do they know what "temporal mechanics" even is? :lol: ;)
 
I mean, the writers could always just have it happen if they want — but I think the regimes the Doctor takes down usually have a convenient single stress point where the right action can take down the whole structure. The Federation in B7 — not unlike most governments in real life — doesn’t have that Big Red Self-Destruct Button, so it’d be harder to do believably.

Oh yeah I realise that.... But it would have been interesting had someone attempted such a story if done well. Maybe the Doctor has help to knobble the other weak points. Since he knows Blake and maybe others.

Another observation from over the years is that the Doctor has done this kind of thing before but he often doesn't actually do the toppling himself some of the time but manipulates other people to take the real risks. The Doctor never really gets their hands that dirty.
 
Another observation from over the years is that the Doctor has done this kind of thing before but he often doesn't actually do the toppling himself some of the time but manipulates other people to take the real risks. The Doctor never really gets their hands that dirty.
Very true.
 
Why would you think they'd damage a set? Usually, any apparent damage onscreen is superficial and carefully engineered to look like destruction while being easily reversible if they need to do a retake. And sets get deliberately taken apart and repaired all the time, since what looks solid is often just a thin veneer. Surely the production crew of an action-adventure show like Doctor Who would have enough experience faking convincing damage and destruction to know how to avoid causing real damage to a set.
Accidents happen, and with the best will in the world the more often a set is used the more wear and tear it will accrue. Plus I guess I have damage at the forefront of my mind because I've been reading about the making of Series B of Blake's 7 and they keep damaging the Liberator set by using too much explosive every time they have to simulate the ship taking damage!

I wasn't trying to steal your thunder. I honestly hadn't seen your Musketeers suggestion. It was rather well cast, I think. Of course Santiago Cabrera is Aramis. Of course Tom Burke is Athos. (There's a part of me that wonders if there's a way Burke's Athos is an ancestor of Burke's Dolokhov in War and Peace, as unlikely as I think that is.)
Apologies Allyn, I wasn't trying to accuse you of stealing my thunder, just highlighting that great minds think alike, and I hadn't suggested the Musketeers, just the idea of Dr Who piggybacking on period dramas more generally.
 
Accidents happen, and with the best will in the world the more often a set is used the more wear and tear it will accrue.

Yes, but I don't see why that would be more likely in a crossover than at any other time. And the crew of an FX-heavy production would normally be expected to be better at avoiding damage because they'd have more experience.


Plus I guess I have damage at the forefront of my mind because I've been reading about the making of Series B of Blake's 7 and they keep damaging the Liberator set by using too much explosive every time they have to simulate the ship taking damage!

As a rule, screen explosions are more flash than substance, essentially just fireworks, causing little real damage. It's not like they'd use explosives that generate any kind of blast or shock worth mentioning. So I suspect the "damage" they're talking about would probably amount to little more than scorched paint that needed to be touched up, rather than any structural damage.

Although given how cheap the B7 sets were, I wouldn't be surprised if they were partly made of styrofoam and cardboard, in which case the damage could be significant, but inexpensive to repair.
 
Yes

Actually 3. Love that Doctor
Yep, the third doctor is amazing. He and Gary Seven taking on aliens - would be really great. I mean, my Doc is 11, erm... 12... erm... Matt Smith in the second incarnation with Amy and Rory ( you can say, what you want, but Amy and Rory are a cute couple), but I like three, too. Never saw a Doctor, whom I didn't like.
 
The problem with the Gary Seven comparisons is that the intent for the Assignment: Earth series would not have been to tell Doctor Who-type stories about fighting aliens. The original 1966 half-hour series premise would've involved fighting aliens from the future in a sort of proto-Temporal Cold War scenario, but according to the series prospectus Roddenberry and Art Wallace wrote for the revised hourlong version that would've spun off from the Trek episode, the intent would've been to tell more grounded stories about human-generated crises and conflicts. Sometimes those might have been speculative scientific breakthroughs or dangerous inventions, but often they would've been just political or personal dramas in which Gary, his technology, and Isis's abilities were the only speculative elements. So less Doctor Who and more The Avengers or The Man from UNCLE, basically a spy-fi show.
 
The problem with the Gary Seven comparisons is that the intent for the Assignment: Earth series would not have been to tell Doctor Who-type stories about fighting aliens. The original 1966 half-hour series premise would've involved fighting aliens from the future in a sort of proto-Temporal Cold War scenario, but according to the series prospectus Roddenberry and Art Wallace wrote for the revised hourlong version that would've spun off from the Trek episode, the intent would've been to tell more grounded stories about human-generated crises and conflicts. Sometimes those might have been speculative scientific breakthroughs or dangerous inventions, but often they would've been just political or personal dramas in which Gary, his technology, and Isis's abilities were the only speculative elements. So less Doctor Who and more The Avengers or The Man from UNCLE, basically a spy-fi show.
Although, I have to say: I'd like that. Gary being this mixture of Steed and the Doctor (even having a pen-like device, that can do stuff, like the Sonic Screwdriver can) and Roberta being slowly, but gradually turned into an Emma-Peel-like Character. I mean, I bought the two "Khan"-Books, where Roberta and Gary are showing up. Awesome read.

And yet, I'd so loved to read the name "Felix Sevenrock" in the translated book. Why? Well, in Germany, Gary Seven is not just called "Gary Seven"... would've been too easy, propably. Noo, in the German version, he's called "Felix Sevenrock", because the Aufnahmeleiter (producer / production manager) of the time had the name "Felix Siebenrock". And since in Germany, the dubbing of Trek and other shows fell in the time of "Schnoddersynchro", the person, responsible for the dubbing, probably thought "Oh... Gary Seven - Gary Sieben... and we have a Felix Siebenrock... let's just call him "Felix Sevenrock".

Yeah, those were the days of the Schnoddersynchro, given to us by Rainer Brandt - he dubbed stuff like "The Persuaders", the Tony-Curtis-Roger-Moore show and turned it from a relatively british show into a series, where the protagonists were commenting on stuff. For example, in one scene one character told the other "Du musst mal was schneller sprechen, sonst bist Du nicht synchron" saying, that the other one should talk faster, because they're not lipsynching, if he doesn't talk faster. Or: "Lass doch die Sprüche, die setzen uns ja nächste Folge ab, deswegen.", one character admonishing the other to not be so sarcastic, fearing that their show would be cancelled next week. Or "Du musst letzte Folge was gesagt haben, da hat eine dem ZDF geschrieben.", one character telling the other, that he must've said something last episode, because a person wrote the ZDF an angry letter - the ZDF being the Zweite Deutsche Rundfunk, the second TV-Programme, which showed "Die Zwei", the German title of "the Persuaders" and "Raumschiff Enterprise" (Star Trek).
 
just the idea of Dr Who piggybacking on period dramas more generally.
Back in the day, I really thought that a Pasternoster Gang spinoff would have been viable had the BBC piggybacked on Ripper Street and used the sets for the series in Dublin. I personally wasn't enthused by the idea of a series about Madame Vastra, Jenny, and Strax, even though I know a great many people who were, but had the BBC leveraged the resources at their disposal in 2013-2014 it could have been done.
 
Was there serious talk while they were both on the air of doing a Doctor Who/Star Trek: Enterprise crossover? I swear I remember them talking about Enterprise crossing over with one of the other sci-fi shows on at the time, and DW is first one that comes to mind.
 
Was there serious talk while they were both on the air of doing a Doctor Who/Star Trek: Enterprise crossover? I swear I remember them talking about Enterprise crossing over with one of the other sci-fi shows on at the time, and DW is first one that comes to mind.
RTD is in record as having wanted to do one when planning the Eccleston series, but it was never beyond the "This would be cool" stage, and Paramount pulled the plug on Enterprise before he could could get far enough to talk to anyone at Paramount about doing it.

I have thought for a long time that a Starfleet junior lieutenant would make a great companion for the Doctor. I also think a Trek-style "boldly go" starship series set in the Whoniverse would be interesting.
 
RTD is in record as having wanted to do one when planning the Eccleston series, but it was never beyond the "This would be cool" stage, and Paramount pulled the plug on Enterprise before he could could get far enough to talk to anyone at Paramount about doing it.

I have thought for a long time that a Starfleet junior lieutenant would make a great companion for the Doctor. I also think a Trek-style "boldly go" starship series set in the Whoniverse would be interesting.

And he's still up for it, if the line in Space Babies is anything to go by:

"Love Star Trek! We'll have to visit those guys someday!"
 
I mentioned in the Blake's 7 thread that it's tempting to imagine that Richard Hurndall's Nebrox in the fourth-season episode "Assassin" is actually the First Doctor using an alias, since he looks and acts pretty much the same as he would two years later as the Doctor (and he got cast in "The Five Doctors" because Ian Levine saw "Assassin" and noted his resemblance to Hartnell). Of course, that theory runs into a major problem:
Nebrox is killed partway through the story and is lying there as a corpse in the hold of Cancer's ship for the rest of the episode until the ship gets blown up at the end. On the other hand, Time Lords have respiratory cutoff and can feign death. And it seems unlikely that the Doctor's TARDIS would've ended up in Cancer's hold, allowing him to escape the explosion. But if this was pre-Totter's Lane, it could've looked like anything. Maybe the reason he was pretending to be Nebrox was that the slave traders had captured the TARDIS and sold it to Cancer, and the reason "Nebrox" insisted on coming over to Cancer's ship with Avon's team (which has no explanation in the episode) was that he needed to get back to the TARDIS. It's a huge stretch, but not much worse than a couple of the logic jumps within the episode itself, or in "The Five Doctors" for that matter.
 
Was there serious talk while they were both on the air of doing a Doctor Who/Star Trek: Enterprise crossover? I swear I remember them talking about Enterprise crossing over with one of the other sci-fi shows on at the time, and DW is first one that comes to mind.
RTD is in record as having wanted to do one when planning the Eccleston series, but it was never beyond the "This would be cool" stage, and Paramount pulled the plug on Enterprise before he could could get far enough to talk to anyone at Paramount about doing it.

I have thought for a long time that a Starfleet junior lieutenant would make a great companion for the Doctor. I also think a Trek-style "boldly go" starship series set in the Whoniverse would be interesting.
RTD also considered revisiting the idea for one of Tennant's 2009 specials, though in that case it would have featured the Doctor visiting a starship which "resembles but is legally distinct from" Starfleet. IE, there'd be a Captain, First Officer, Science Officer, Alien Officer with a bumpy forehead. Though he mentions this in The Writer's Tale, he did not explain why this was clearly abandoned.

I'm not holding my breath on the idea being revisited this time around. These days it could be seen as too similar to The Orville or Black Mirror's Star Trek pastiche.
 
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