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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

I doubt if Gary Oldman finds his role as the foul-mouthed (and foul smelling!) slovenly, flatulent Jackson Lamb in Slow Horses to be as challenging as the ones where he’s gone method to imitate real people, has been under loads of latex, has gained weight, shaved his head, etc. However, he is clearly having a ball and it is one of the most entertaining performances of his career and of the last few years in any genre.
 
Alex Guinness was excellent as Obi-Wan, but yeah, after getting to know how he viewed Star Wars it just doesn't feel the same.

That shouldn't matter to the viewer. All that matters is the illusion the actor creates. We know it's not real to begin with, that the character is not the actor, so what the actor thinks of the role in real life is meaningless as long as they create a convincing illusion. I mean, if someone holds the story or character in contempt but still convinces us to care about them both, or if two actors hate each other in real life but convince us that they're devotedly in love, then that's really good acting. So learning the reality in that case should make their performance more effective, not less.


Hmmm, it's not like Robert Downey took the role of Tony Stark because it was challenging for him--but he did a lot with it because he's a great actor and he brought his A-game.

That's just it, though. In my experience, Jason Momoa started out as a terrible actor but got significantly better. So I don't have faith that he can do impressive work if he isn't pushing himself. Downey, like Alec Guinness, is starting out from a place of brilliance and thus will do impressive work even if he's bringing his B-game. (And seriously, Tony Stark is nowhere near Downey's A-game. It's basically just self-caricature.)


Jared Leto always puts in more effort than everyone else...which explains why his performances are always well-loved, and usually the highlight of the movie he's in.

Speak for yourself. I've very much disliked Leto in the two roles I've seen him in. He claims to be a method actor, but method acting is internalizing the character to give a naturalistic, unaffected performance, while Leto's performances in Suicide Squad and the Blade Runner sequel were some of the most artificial, affected, self-consciously hammy acting I've ever seen. It seems that he basically just uses the pretense of method acting as an excuse to be an abusive jerk to his coworkers by claiming it's just "staying in character."
 
I thought he was terrible in Atlantis -- his performance was a monotone mumble with dreadful enunciation. He's gotten far better in the years since.

Now, THIS is an opinion some of us will agree with, and many of us can at least respect as a "legitimate" opinion.

Oh, there was screaming to the pit of Hell about Momoa getting the Aquaman role, with the typical charges of "replacing" a white character with the "wrong" actor (an ideological spin-off of "The Great Replacement Theory" argued by White Supremacists from every corridor of social and professional life). I'm sure there's "Never Momoa" types still crawling around the world, wanting the big screen Aquaman to be blonde and as White as possible.

Out of 6 billion people, i am sure SOMEONE is hperracist about it... but i meant to ask if the level of racism was anywhere near that we saw with the Live Action Little Mermaid? I sure don't recall it here on TrekBBS

But SINCE Momoa has played Aquaman, those racist criticisms are largely gone.
And wouldn't you say Patrick Wilson as Orm looked EXACTLY like what a live action Aquaman "should" look like? (They really should have had himin the orange costume for a bit).
Uh-huh. That's what I thought. Perfectly on-brand. :techman:

You weren't having a real discussion, which I expected because for some people any criticism is sacrilege so you just ignore and be condescending whenever someone disagrees with you. If you think I need to eat every ounce of shit to decide it tastes bad, thats a you problem, not a me problem :shrug: I bet you love Heroes in Crisis and Batman: The Gift, too.
I remmeber your rants of the then upcoming SHazam movie.... it sure felt like you were waaaaay off on your assessment (i think you even mellowed out yourself, after it actually came out). THIS is what i interpret as "on-brand"


I tried to read it. I got a few pages into the TPB (I checked it out through, I'd never pay money for anything Tom King wrote on general principle) and hated every second of it. I hated the art, the writing, and the story. Its been a bit since I tried it so I can't give you specifics, I read a few pages, glanced over the rest of it, read the last few pages and realized it was just another case of "Tom King writes a garbage story with his OCs and pretends its a DC story because no one would buy his garbage wqithout him stealing popular characters", and returned it. I obviously didn't end up catching comet in the bits I looked at.

Even ignoring all that I know that Tom King is an incompetent jerk who disrespects other writers work constantly, because only his story matters to him and screw everyone else, he should never be allowed to write main continuity stuff. I didn't have to read the book all the way to get that. Literally everything King has ever done is terrible, even if I hadn't seen a panel of his Supergirl story I'd still know it was bad, having tried to read it and have read some plot stuff online just shows what kind of bad it is.

Also, you seem to worship the guy, so you don't really have room to talk about prejudices. I hate Tom King because everything I've seen and read of his, partially or completely, has been absolute garbage. I don't need to read every panel of everything he does to judge it.

A lot of extreme accusations... can you be more specific? Like King being a jerk, or disrespecting others? I don't have time to research, so just give a couple of examples. I know a few people here are fans, and that's why they are excited about SUpergirl.

I doubt if Gary Oldman finds his role as the foul-mouthed (and foul smelling!) slovenly, flatulent Jackson Lamb in Slow Horses to be as challenging as the ones where he’s gone method to imitate real people, has been under loads of latex, has gained weight, shaved his head, etc. However, he is clearly having a ball and it is one of the most entertaining performances of his career and of the last few years in any genre.

Excellent example -- that's the type of thing i expect to see with Lobo.

Unfortunately, irony, sarcasm, and deadpan humor don't come across well through text alone.
That must be why we often have to remind you they our previous post was a joke, and have to explain why. But for a writer, that should NOT be a problem to understand, as depending on the book, those might be tools you employ.


Yes. That must be it.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. You can't possibly be right [/sarcasm] ;)



So is Batman already cast in the DCU or nah?

My theory is that since Joker 2 bombed so bad, Zaslav is NOT willing to risk another Elseworld movie. He wants momentum to make lots of money. He hopefully saw and understood the failure of The Flash and Aquaman 2.

I personally think they are trying to hold off of anything until they see the results of Superman. If it does poorly, they will go ahead and continue its independent theme, of just Batman within his universe. If SUperman does well, i think they will restructure it to be inserted into the new DCOU.

With Supergirl, so does it seem like they will have the casting all done by the time Superman comes out? And maybe the script? If so, i can see them announcing Supergirl to be the next big production after Superman, with an announcement of Batman 2 relatively soon after.
 
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My theory is that since Joker 2 bombed so bad, Zaslav is NOT willing to risk another Elseworld movie. He wants momentum to make lots of money. He hopefully saw and understood the failure of The Flash and Aquaman 2.

I personally think they are trying to hold off of anything until they see the results of Superman. If it does poorly, they will go ahead and continue its independent theme, of just Batman within his universe. If SUperman does well, i think they will restructure it to be inserted into the new DCOU.
Not sure I understand... the question is seemingly about the Batman in the Gunnverse. We already have a completely separate Bat-verse in the Reeves films. They're not seriously considering yet another stand-alone Batman, are they? :shrug:
 
Not sure I understand... the question is seemingly about the Batman in the Gunnverse. We already have a completely separate Bat-verse in the Reeves films. They're not seriously considering yet another stand-alone Batman, are they? :shrug:
There was a rumour going round that Gunn wanted to incorporate Battinson into the DCU. Large pinch salt etc.
 
Not sure I understand... the question is seemingly about the Batman in the Gunnverse. We already have a completely separate Bat-verse in the Reeves films. They're not seriously considering yet another stand-alone Batman, are they? :shrug:

It's my personal theory.... that even though the Reeves first Batman movie was separate from the current shared universe at the time.... i think Zaslav is having second thoughts about that being successful again.

We saw an extemely successful but disconnected Joker movie completely fail as a sequel.... i doubt Zaslav wants to risk that again.

Trying to get in the mind of a money grubber... i think Zaslav is trying to be strategic, and see if Gunn REALLY can create a successful shared universe. If Superman is successful, i can see him trying to have Btamna 2 ride that success, and have Pattinson join th enew universe. I also theorize that if SUperman is successful, Supergirl will have at least an end credit scene featuring Pattinson, to lead into Batman 2.
 
A lot of extreme accusations... can you be more specific? Like King being a jerk, or disrespecting others? I don't have time to research, so just give a couple of examples. I know a few people here are fans, and that's why they are excited about SUpergirl.
I know you were asking kirk55555, but I'm personally aware of King doing maybe one uncool thing IRL -- possibly two if one is inclined to hold his prior employment against him. (He's former CIA.) Generally he's considered a nice guy in the industry and among fans, and comes across as such in interviews. None of which has any bearing on the quality of his writing one way or the other, in any case.

From context and experience, however, I suspect that kirk55555 simply means that King has written characters that were previously created or written by other writers, and been a "jerk" or "disrespected" those writers by writing the characters in ways kirk55555 doesn't personally care for, based on what he's heard or assumes about books he mostly hasn't read.

Again, so on-brand.
With Supergirl, so does it seem like they will have the casting all done by the time Superman comes out? And maybe the script? If so, i can see them announcing Supergirl to be the next big production after Superman, with an announcement of Batman 2 relatively soon after.
The Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow movie is much further along than that. It literally starts shooting any day now.

In related news, Momoa posted on his Instagram a short video of him holding the S:WoT script (stamped, "FOR LOBO'S EYES ONLY") and starting to open it. I can't for the life of me figure out a way to embed the furshlugginer thing, but you can find it easily enough.
 
I know you were asking kirk55555, but I'm personally aware of King doing maybe one uncool thing IRL -- possibly two if one is inclined to hold his prior employment against him. (He's former CIA.) Generally he's considered a nice guy in the industry and among fans, and comes across as such in interviews. None of which has any bearing on the quality of his writing one way or the other, in any case.

From context and experience, however, I suspect that kirk55555 simply means that King has written characters that were previously created or written by other writers, and been a "jerk" or "disrespected" those writers by writing the characters in ways kirk55555 doesn't personally care for, based on what he's heard or assumes about books he mostly hasn't read.

Again, so on-brand.

The Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow movie is much further along than that. It literally starts shooting any day now.

In related news, Momoa posted on his Instagram a short video of him holding the S:WoT script (stamped, "FOR LOBO'S EYES ONLY") and starting to open it. I can't for the life of me figure out a way to embed the furshlugginer thing, but you can find it easily enough.


I appreciate your perspective on the context regarding Tom King, who i have seen praised by many others here.

I have no doubt of hyperbole here, as I have seen it with Shazam, or Trek God talking about ciritics of the Snyder DC Film Universe -- where people like myself have had criticisms of CERTAIN aspects, but are NOT the extreme haters he keeps saying are making those criticisms.

Regarding SUpergirl -- i am wondering.... could Zaslav potentially "Batgirl" the Supergirl Movie if Superman tanks? I know much of the Supergirl budget will go to special effects and PR.... which could potnetially stop if Superman tanks. Not sure how much they would lose at that point., but like Batgirl , maybe less of a loss if they do the tax write off than if they try to launch it and it fails.
 
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I have no doubt of hyperbole here, as I have seen it with Shazam, or Trek God talking about ciritics of the Snyder DC Film Universe -- where people like myself have had criticisms of CERTAIN aspects, but are NOT the extreme haters he keeps saying are making those criticisms.
Facts.
Regarding SUpergirl -- i am wondering.... could Zaslav potentially "Batgirl" the Supergirl Movie if Superman tanks? I know much of the Supergirl budget will go to special effects and PR.... which could potnetially stop if Superman tanks. Not sure how much they would lose at that point., but like Batgirl , maybe less of a loss if they do the tax write off than if they try to launch it and it fails.
I suppose Zaslav could do almost any damn-fool thing (and yes, there is the Batgirl precedent). But short of that, the movie will already be in the can and into post-production by the time Superman comes out, so I fully expect we'll see it in theaters next year. :techman:
 
Is that an AI-processed image?
It might be enhanced or upscaled, but I've compared it to another from the same shoot and it's certainly originally a photograph of Corenswet in costume. There are certain flaws, or at least idiosyncracies, about the costume that are consistently visible in most shots, and this image exhibits them.

Oh, and Corenswet has very specific, lobeless ears - that's kind of a tell, hard to train AI on.

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So - possibly AI-enhanced, but probably not AI-generated.

[ETA]: It's likely an image that's been upscaled using something like Topaz GigaPixel AI. Edges have that characteristic over-smoothing. It's based on a frame from a promotional GIF in which Corenswet morphs from Clark to Superman:
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This looks like the original photo:

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And my quick-and-dirty AI upscale:

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