Your opinion on SNWs Gorn

[Yistaan]

Pike: Hey lizardman!

Gorn: Grrr?

Pike: Yeah you. Why are you using weak scrawny humans as breeding sacks? Don't you know that turns the next generation of Gorn into being weak and scrawny like us? Why don't you use the Klingons as breeding sacks? They're a lot stronger, and the Gorn from them will be stronger too. Klingons live over at Qo'noS and they have these ridges on their heads. Go get them!

Gorn: GRRR!!! (all Gorn ships retreat and head to Klingon space)

Uhura: Captain, Klingon High Command reports that there has been a widespread massacre of their population by the Gorn, the vast majority of the Klingon survivors are augment virus victims, presumably because the Gorn didn't recognize them as Klingons.

Pike: How's the saying go? Kill 2 birds with one stone...

 

[Dukhat]

There’s no difference. All the big sci-fi franchises out there have done their share of stealing, often from other science fiction sources, and they’ve never been shy about it.

No rule to say that horror/sci-fi/romance stories can’t crib stuff from other examples within their respective genres. That’s daft. More so if it’s a 2024 production cribbing a 1979 movie. 40 years ago is not too soon.

As I’ve already stated, there’s a difference between being inspired by something and downright ripping something off. And again, if this point hasn’t been made, it never will, so I’m dropping it.

 

[Yistaan]

People rip off each other frequently and usually get away with it unless the company being ripped off is Nintendo as Palworld devs found out the hard way.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

As I’ve already stated, there’s a difference between being inspired by something and downright ripping something off. And again, if this point hasn’t been made, it never will, so I’m dropping it.

The new Gorn use other species as incubators for their young.

That’s it.

I mean, aside from the fact that that’s an actual thing that exists in nature and not something made up for a sci-fi movie, there are so many very notable differences.

New Gorn are Reptilian. They seem to bleed stuff that doesn’t melt through bulkheads. They develop and use their own forms of technology and have developed faster than light space travel, as well as ships which they are intensely capable of piloting in combat. They need to wear spacesuits to survive in a vacuum.

Can you say any of that is something the Xenomorph of Alien are/can do?

For them to be downright ripping Alien off then they’d have to be downright ripping Alien off, which they aren’t. They may or may not have been inspired by Alien. They probably were. It’s a science-fiction touchstone by now. But they didn’t ‘outright rip-off’ anything.

They (allegedly) took inspiration from a single aspect of the Xenomorph, an aspect which itself took inspiration from our own natural reality.

 

[fireproof78]

People rip off each other frequently and usually get away with it unless the company being ripped off is Nintendo as Palworld devs found out the hard way.

Ripping off one person is plagiarism.


Ripping off several people, and it's called research.

 

[Yistaan]

Ripping off one person is plagiarism.


Ripping off several people, and it's called research.

Disney owns the Alien franchise now right? If they're going to come after Paramount over the Gorn, why stop there? I'm sure they can dredge up more than a few elements of Trek that they can claim was copied from Star Wars.

 

[fireproof78]

Disney owns the Alien franchise now right? If they're going to come after Paramount over the Gorn, why stop there? I'm sure they can dredge up more than a few elements of Trek that they can claim was copied from Star Wars.

I hope they sue each other in to oblivion and that way more Trek is made to make fans angry.

We need some peace after all.

 

[BillJ]

There’s no difference. All the big sci-fi franchises out there have done their share of stealing, often from other science fiction sources, and they’ve never been shy about it.

No rule to say that horror/sci-fi/romance stories can’t crib stuff from other examples within their respective genres. That’s daft. More so if it’s a 2024 production cribbing a 1979 movie. 40 years ago is not too soon.

It isn’t that they cribbed stuff from other media, it is that they already had their own Gorn.

 

[Daedalus]

But the Gorn have already been redesigned once in Enterprise. I get that the added breeding aspects are new but it's not like this idea is something completely foreign to the franchise. It's why I always see Trek as different from Star Wars; designs get updated based upon the technology available at the time.

The success of the design will vary from person to person.

I'm actually alright with designs being updated, providing it doesn't step on the toes of previous ones, or completely override them in some cases. Put these Gorn in the 32nd century, and you'll get no arguments from me. Same with the Disco Klingons and their tech. A thousand years of genetic engineering and huge cultural shifts work better imo.

I enjoy making up reasons why certain species or technology appear different in an otherwise familiar time period, but sometimes I feel like they make a rod for their own back.

The rod then ends up as a joke in a comedy animation that deliberately fans the flames. Endless YouTube videos etc

As it stands, and best foot forward. I'm looking at the Gorn as if they were Star Trek's version of the Scarrans.

And I fully expect the show to back me up in series 3. I know I won't be disappointed

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm actually alright with designs being updated, providing it doesn't step on the toes of previous ones, or completely override them in some cases.

*Squints in TMP Klingon*

 

[Yistaan]

I hope they sue each other in to oblivion and that way more Trek is made to make fans angry.

We need some peace after all.

Disney: Star Trek stole from Alien and Star Wars!!!

Paramount: Give us a break, Alien and Star Wars did not even exist when Star Trek premiered!

Disney: Star Trek ripped off from Dr. Who which we also have a stake in!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Disney: Star Trek stole from Alien and Star Wars!!!

Paramount: Give us a break, Alien and Star Wars did not even exist when Star Trek premiered!

Disney: Star Trek ripped off from Dr. Who which we also have a stake in!

Doctor Who? Yeah, no.

 

[Kor]

I didn't see this thread until now, so my apologies if I'm just repeating things that were already expressed in the past 23 pages...

It's been a long-standing idea in Trek tie-in materials that there are multiple 'types' of Gorn within their Hegemony. Any apparent differences from what we knew or thought we knew about the Gorn could be explained in that context. @Scrooge McTall posted the quote from writer Davy Perez on how he felt that "Arena" allowed for some wiggle room as "the creature the Metrons called a Gorn" could have been different from expectations Kirk may have had based on rumors of previous encounters.

Personally, I kind of like the idea that the monstrous Gorn we saw in SNW are a kind of genetically engineered berserker or "super soldier" or whatever, perhaps used by the Hegemony on the front lines of their conflicts. I'm interested in seeing what else we may learn about the Gorn in upcoming seasons.

Kor

 

[Yistaan]

Star Trek Prodigy Season 3--

Dal: Admiral Janeway, why are horrific screams coming from the next room?

Janeway: Well Dal, you spent so much time around a sanitized holographic version of me that you haven't been exposed to my ahem, more brutal but necessary, style of command. I'll upload the report on the USS Equinox to your reading list. But as to your question, a suspect in our custody is being used as a breeding sack by a Gorn.

Dal: Doesn't that violate like a gazillion Starfleet and Federation rules banning torture of prisoners?

Janeway: Being used as a breeding sack by a holographic Gorn. By the time he's expecting baby Gorn to start ripping out of him and nothing happens, he'll have already told us everything we want to know.

Dal: ...

 

[The_Baroness]

I love them. But I can see why many wouldn't as they are quite different to what we've seen before.

I've been one to concern myself with redesigns though (otherwise I'd never have redesigned myself into a new gender haha)

We never knew anything about the Gorn aside from the slow lumbering one from the arena. Nothing we've seen contradicts that ONE individual Gorn who for all we know was elderly and at the end of his life. Alot of species here on earth go through various stages of.development

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Doctor Who? Yeah, no.

Yes, actually.

Although the BBC are still the primary owners, Disney+ have the distribution rights outside of the UK and Ireland (which is still covered by the BBC).

 

[Tallguy]

We never knew anything about the Gorn aside from the slow lumbering one from the arena.

Neither did Kirk, Spock(!), Uhura(!), or Scotty(!!!).

Now if SNW really had any balls they would have next season be a whole Romulan arc. No episode other than Balance of Terror ever says that Humans had never seen Romulans before.

Or (and I'm serious) bring Sarek back. There is only one episode that says that Spock and Sarek weren't speaking. If it's just about fun Star Trek then it's worth it to bring back James Frain.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, actually.

Although the BBC are still the primary owners, Disney+ have the distribution rights outside of the UK and Ireland (which is still covered by the BBC).

I believe that was a reference to "Assignment: Earth" which has elements similar to Doctor Who. There have theories for decades that Trek "ripped off" the Doctor, but the timelines don't match up.

 

[HotRod]

Neither did Kirk, Spock(!), Uhura(!), or Scotty(!!!).

There's no evidence of that. No one said anything one way or another on the matter, giving just enough wiggle room that it it can all still work. Granted, it requires a little creative thinking, something I thought we Trekkies were accustomed too.

No episode other than Balance of Terror ever says that Humans had never seen Romulans before.

Unlike the presumed belief that the Gorn had never been encountered before Arena, which is clearly debatable, the Romulans never having been seen is a major plot point that is clearly stated on screen.

There is only one episode that says that Spock and Sarek weren't speaking.

Again, it's a major plot point that is clearly stated and not really up for debate.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Granted, it requires a little creative, something I thought we Trekkies were accustomed too.

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