So is Shakespeare.
Your opinion on SNWs Gorn
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Absolutely they're a product of their times, which is why Trek is hardly copying them beat for beat. Trek can modernized without becoming a copy of something else.
They haven't modernized it at all. Whats really happening is these current creatives think Alien and Star Wars were superior to star trek so thats why they emulate them right down to changing the phaser beam into star wars blaster laser bolts.
Uh, there's like one SNW story arc that borrows from Alien. Hardly indicative of Star Trek as a whole being transformed into Alien. Heck, Star Trek was doing Alien type stories before there was an Alien ("Devil In the Dark" and "Man Trap."
The JJ Series is pretty much dead in the water. Star Wars Trek is over.
Uh, there's like one SNW story arc that borrows from Alien. Hardly indicative of Star Trek as a whole being transformed into Alien. Heck, Star Trek was doing Alien type stories before there was an Alien ("Devil In the Dark" and "Man Trap."
The JJ Series is pretty much dead in the water. Star Wars Trek is over.
The laser bolts and windows ate still there. All from the abrams version. The classic hand held phaser beam is gone.
Sure they have.
Strange New Worlds is absolutely a modernized take on classic Trek.
Discovery was certainly a an attempt to modernized Trek with moredramatic and emotional storytelling. For better or worse.
Lower Decks is a modern animated series in the same vein as Rick & Morty.
Picard was an attempt to humanize both the character and the TNG crew with modernized storytelling techniques.
Prodigy is very much a modern take on children's animation.
Hardly. They're certainly paying homage to what most consider to be good and highly influential franchises, but they're still very much putting a Star Trek angle to their material. Even in their most action packed elements, the JJ films were hardly acting like Star Wars. Trek has still continued very much to be its own thing.
Can't say I miss it.
I love the window. It finally answers the question about why the hell would you put your bridge at the top of the saucer?
Spectacular views.
This. Exactly this. People ignore how Trek was influenced by culture of the time. As with Star Wars, it was a product of the times.
And now, people do not desire Trek to actually move forward but remain in a time capsule of the 90s forever.
If Picard hadn't been unexpectedly freed and if he still insisted that he saw 4 lights, Madred was going to turn him into a breeding sack for a Gorn.
Picard: There are... four LIGHTS ARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!! (baby Gorn rip out of Picard as he screams in agony)
Madred:
Picard: There are... four LIGHTS ARRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!! (baby Gorn rip out of Picard as he screams in agony)
Madred:
I don't think classic alien redesigns are necessarily moving with the times, in all honesty. In the case of the new Gorn design, it's arguably stealing a 70s/80s concept, so it's a bit behind the times.
As much as I'm happy to take this on the chin, I can see why some people can't. With Star Wars, I can't ever see them redesigning a Wookie.
To move away from the 90s time capsule, it's probably better to just have new aliens.
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It’s a pretty good take on a lizard alien and they even have a nod to the “bug eyes” from the original design.
The xenomorph has an insect like quality. Maybe from the shiny black carapace and the featureless face. The latter is kind of a go to these days, with characters who only have mouths (usually with sharp teeth) popping up on screen and in comics.
But the Gorn have already been redesigned once in Enterprise. I get that the added breeding aspects are new but it's not like this idea is something completely foreign to the franchise. It's why I always see Trek as different from Star Wars; designs get updated based upon the technology available at the time.
The success of the design will vary from person to person.
But the Gorn have already been redesigned once in Enterprise. I get that the added breeding aspects are new but it's not like this idea is something completely foreign to the franchise. It's why I always see Trek as different from Star Wars; designs get updated based upon the technology available at the time.
The success of the design will vary from person to person.
They're all green, bipedal lizards with generally bad attitudes. Close enough.
There’s no difference. All the big sci-fi franchises out there have done their share of stealing, often from other science fiction sources, and they’ve never been shy about it.
No rule to say that horror/sci-fi/romance stories can’t crib stuff from other examples within their respective genres. That’s daft. More so if it’s a 2024 production cribbing a 1979 movie. 40 years ago is not too soon.
Alien had been ripped off before anyway by the Brood in Marvel comics. It hasn't got much attention because the Brood haven't shown up in any Marvel movies yet. But you know, I think with the Marvel Cinematic Universe flailing around for its next hit, it's only a matter of time.
If you’re dealing with a concept that’s been in modern culture consistently for more than 4 decades, that’s no longer something that’s behind the times. More like the concept has become timeless.
For something to be behind the times, it has to have somehow fallen out of fashion. Alien and it’s surrounding franchise are as perennial now as Marvel Comics, Barbie, Friday 13th etc…
Dated concepts die. The ones that survive don’t fall behind the times. They cement themselves in the public consciousness and effectively become culturally immortal.
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