Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

[JD]

And what are you going to do, now that the Jedi & Sith storylines have been played out and both factions are more or less gone?

Moving forward in time, what is your solution?

More of the same?

We already know that Rey is setting up a new Jedi Order, and as long as their are Jedi, it's inevitable that someone will fall to the Dark Side and have to be dealt with. They might not be "Sith" but it's inevitable that we'll get some kind of Light Side vs Dark Side conflict.

I want there to be MANY factions, not just the two (Jedi vs Sith), we can easily do that in a post Episode 9 universe with new generation of Force Users & political entities around the galaxy.

But in the end it's still going to come back to the mysticism and mumbo jumbo you want to get rid of.

But the vast majority of "The Mandalorian" still was more about non-Force users and their journeys & stories which I liked alot more.

The core of The Mandalorian is Din and Grogu's story, and Grogu being a Force user is a huge part of that. A lot of the story arc revolves around people wanting to get access to Grogu because of his Force powers, and another big part of it is his future as a Jedi or a Mandalorian.

But the old paradigm of (Jedi vs Sith) has been done for so long, that it's kind of stale.

Complaining about the Jedi vs Sith conflict getting stale is kind of like complaing about Starfleet being such a big part of Star Trek.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

We already know that Rey is setting up a new Jedi Order, and as long as their are Jedi, it's inevitable that someone will fall to the Dark Side and have to be dealt with. They might not be "Sith" but it's inevitable that we'll get some kind of Light Side vs Dark Side conflict.

Do we? We know Rey is still around, what she does with her new powers is still up in the air.

But in the end it's still going to come back to the mysticism and mumbo jumbo you want to get rid of.

We can go a different direction, but you might not like it because it doesn't have the classic Sith vs Jedi

The core of The Mandalorian is Din and Grogu's story, and Grogu being a Force user is a huge part of that. A lot of the story arc revolves around people wanting to get access to Grogu because of his Force powers, and another big part of it is his future as a Jedi or a Mandalorian.

Yeah, but there are alot of stories where Grogu is sidelined as well and don't directly factor in.
The story of the New Mandalorians, the side characters, the rich extended world building.

Complaining about the Jedi vs Sith conflict getting stale is kind of like complaing about Starfleet being such a big part of Star Trek.

That's why I didn't mind when JLP had a rag-tag crew in ST:PIC S1.

I was generally okay with non-StarFleet characters & settings.

 

[fireproof78]

Ahsoka did not have Sith but still had Force users against each other.

 

[The Wormhole]

I guess you're not into the expanded lore and other EU stuff.

Believe it or not, there are quite a few people who don't care for the EU of old. And there really was a lot of crap there.

But imagine if it could start merging & have cross-overs.
Wouldn't that be fascinating.

No

Franchises colliding, the two most legendary Star <Franchises> meeting & crossing over.
The adventures you can have, the stories you can tell.

Pass

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Ahsoka did not have Sith but still had Force users against each other.

True, but it was focused on other story lines that weren't directly Jedi vs Sith.

I really like Grand Admiral Thrawn as a villain, one of the better written antagonists IMO.

Of course nothing will compare to the original "Timothy Zahn" written version of Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Believe it or not, there are quite a few people who don't care for the EU of old. And there really was a lot of crap there.

I guess I don't fall into that camp.

No

That's sad, in an era of cross-overs, this is one that many are asking for.

Pass

Your loss

 

[fireproof78]

Believe it or not, there are quite a few people who don't care for the EU of old. And there really was a lot of crap there.

The EU of old was a total mixed bag. It got built up because it was the only content out there, and quickly people became obsessed with trying to maintain it. Of course, Lucas never treated it seriously, and it shouldn't have reached the point of status of being thought as being equal to the films. It never was.

I really like Grand Admiral Thrawn as a villain, one of the better written antagonists IMO.

Agreed.

Of course nothing will compare to the original "Timothy Zahn" written version of Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Who cares? A well written villain is a well written villain. No point in comparison.

True, but it was focused on other story lines that weren't directly Jedi vs Sith.

No, just a former Jedi training, fighting against another former Jedi and all manner of use of Force powers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Of course nothing will compare to the original "Timothy Zahn" written version of Grand Admiral Thrawn.

That's when "LitWars" lost me.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

No, just a former Jedi training, fighting against another former Jedi and all manner of use of Force powers.

For a "Former Jedi", he sure wasn't acting very Jedi like.

The EU of old was a total mixed bag. It got built up because it was the only content out there, and quickly people became obsessed with trying to maintain it. Of course, Lucas never treated it seriously, and it shouldn't have reached the point of status of being thought as being equal to the films. It never was.

LucasFilms was more than happy to treat the EU/Literature Canon as "Legit" when there were no new Prequel Trilogies.
So George Lucas was more than happy to have it out there and to help his toy sales.
Entire generation of Star Wars fans grew up reading alot of EU / Star Wars literature.

 

[Sketcher]

Maybe the question that needs to be asked is what do other long-running fantasy series do to keep things fresh? Is it always the same dark lord coming back over and over again? An evil that never is quite vanquished? Or are new threats brought in for the heroes to face?

 

[cooleddie74]

Ahsoka did not have Sith but still had Force users against each other.

Including Marrok, a dead Inquisitor from the Imperial Era resurrected by Nightsister magic.

 

[fireproof78]

LucasFilms was more than happy to treat the EU/Literature Canon as "Legit" when there were no new Prequel Trilogies.
So George Lucas was more than happy to have it out there and to help his toy sales.
Entire generation of Star Wars fans grew up reading alot of EU / Star Wars literature.

Sure, I read them too. They were a complete mixed bag. Some good, most mid, some bad. It was never as series as fans said it was and it was a huge sticking point for me among fans who insisted it be treated as real history. Sorry, I didn't buy it and it wore out it's welcome.

And when it suited Lucas' purpose he made his own again and still made money.

For a "Former Jedi", he sure wasn't acting very Jedi like.

I'm sure the same was said about Dooku, and Bariss, and Anakin.

 

[EnderAKH]

Believe it or not, there are quite a few people who don't care for the EU of old. And there really was a lot of crap there.

Count me in that group. I read Heir to the Empire when it came out in 1991. It had been nearly 10 years since we've gotten new Star Wars and would be nearly 10 years before we got more, so I was SO EXCITED about new official Star Wars. And I was SO DISAPPOINTED. Zahn seemed to want to write Star Wars as pure sci-fi, not space fantasy even creating the fucking ysalamiri which seemed to miss the entire point of how the force worked. I like Thrawn, but I wish he had been in whatever military sci-fi novel Zahn shaved the serial numbers off of to make it Star Wars.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Including Marrok, a dead Inquisitor from the Imperial Era resurrected by Nightsister magic.

 

[Sketcher]

Count me in that group. I read Heir to the Empire when it came out in 1991. It had been nearly 10 years since we've gotten new Star Wars and would be nearly 10 years before we got more, so I was SO EXCITED about new official Star Wars. And I was SO DISAPPOINTED. Zahn seemed to want to write Star Wars as pure sci-fi, not space fantasy even creating the fucking ysalamiri which seemed to miss the entire point of how the force worked. I like Thrawn, but I wish he had been in whatever military sci-fi novel Zahn shaved the serial numbers off of to make it Star Wars.

I thought about reading the Thrawn trilogy, but yeah, the idea of these sequels being more sci-fi than fantasy kinda makes it feel less Star Wars to me. That being said, are there any Star Wars novels that keep the space fantasy motifs?

 

[Ithekro]

Still want to see what they cook up for Thrawn going forwards in the shows and films.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Still want to see what they cook up for Thrawn going forwards in the shows and films.

Hopefully he won't get Snoked.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

What about Force teleporting? Why was that in the last trilogy?

 

[Tuskin38]

there are innumerable things that have been produced, or altered which Lucas probably would not agree with.

But they've yet to outright contradict any of this ideas.

What about Force teleporting? Why was that in the last trilogy?

Why shouldn't it have? It already existed in canon, it wasn't created for the movie.

It also existed in some form in Legends as well.

Teleportation (Force power)/Legends

Teleportation was a rare Force ability that enabled the user to move from one place to another almost instantaneously. Darth Jadus has shown his skills with this ability, as well as the entity Abeloth.[1] Darth Phobos may have also possessed this ability.[2] Some of Palpatine's Force Adepts who...

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Not according to Wookipedia's article on Gray Jedi

That's the legends article. Notice how there's no equivalent canon article.

Of course nothing will compare to the original "Timothy Zahn" written version of Grand Admiral Thrawn.

Zahn basically re-wrote the character in the EU from outright badguy, to trying to make him sympathetic. In the first Trilogy he was just a hardened Imperial admiral who was great at tactics.

The Rebels and Ahsoka version of Thrawn is very much like the first Trilogy version of EU Thrawn.

even creating the fucking ysalamiri which seemed to miss the entire point of how the force worked.

Which is why Dave Filoni did not include them in Rebels (other than as statues in Thrawn's office)

Also, had the Vong showed up in Clone Wars they would have not been outside of the force either.

 

[Gaith]

Ok, here's my really unpopular Star Wars opinion.

I love that Darth Sidious came back in The Rise of Skywalker, I think it has exactly as much explanation as it needs, and the fact that he does so on as a mechanized zmobie on a Sith GRAVE PLANET is wonderfully Heavy Metal.

It sparks joy.

It was certainly better than making Kylo the lone/primary antagonist; that was a total narrative dead end.

I thought about reading the Thrawn trilogy, but yeah, the idea of these sequels being more sci-fi than fantasy kinda makes it feel less Star Wars to me. That being said, are there any Star Wars novels that keep the space fantasy motifs?

IMO, the Thrawn Trilogy perfectly maintains the science/mysticism balance of the OT.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I guess you're not into the expanded lore and other EU stuff.

I'm not into a property or concept milked dry from endless spin-offs watering down said concept.

That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. But I'll have to agree to disagree.

You can disagree, but I doubt anyone would argue the piles of SW content produced in this century is great or the best of the concept.

Yeah, it's been done in expanded content and there's ALOT of it.

Irrelevant. Star Was exists for the reasons you mock and resent.

I guess not all of us see the original works in the same lens as you do.

Then why are you interested in Star Wars as a concept at all? The Force--the religious / spiritual characters and influence defined the concept. Without it, and it does not exist, leaving generic sci-fi crap it was never intended to be, so again, why are you interested in Star Wars?

I just happen to be part of the fan base who likes the expanded content, so consider me "Pandered to".

Bored beyond belief with any character with a helmet and jet-pack beyond the single purpose of the mysterious bounty hunter archetype from TESB & ROTJ.

Before there were Prequel Trilogies & Sequel Trilogies, there was a ton of EU content, and ALOT of Star Wars fans really enjoyed that content.
I guess you don't particularly like the EU content.

Again, you're conflating the films--the vehicle Lucas used to tell his story--with ancillary market material, only produced to generate coins, not support or influence the real story in the films.

But imagine if it could start merging & have cross-overs.
Wouldn't that be fascinating.

No. Each is its own "animal", designed to live and breathe by its own unique standards that are as "oil and water" as one can imagine, unlike superhero content, where most--at the end of the day--all function from / driven by similar creative launchpads, character motivations and a basic, familiar universe that allow for some successful crossovers (though most rarely made sense).

Franchises colliding, the two most legendary Star <Franchises> meeting & crossing over.
The adventures you can have, the stories you can tell.

Funny how Star Trek and Star Wars at their creative best, never needed fanwank crossovers to create great stories.

No.

It would be fan service of the worst kind.

Agreed.