The tao of Star Wars is that these things are ideally in balance. The mystical side is certainly no less important.
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We'll have to agree to disagree.
It goes beyond that.
But obviously, you prefer the polar extremes of the franchise.
I guess we'll have to disagree on that aspect.
There's already too much mysticism, not enough logic/science.
TROS was an abysmal, steaming pile in ill-fitting Star Wars trappings.
More blood tests in Star Wars, damnit!
I've got to disagree the getting rid of the whole light side/dark side element, would be to massive of a shift in how the Force works.
The mysticism and mumbo jumbo are a big part of what make Star Wars unique, and getting rid of them would turn it into just another generic space franchise.
Did you dislike the "Midichlorians" explanation?
I'm indifferent to it. The whole thing feels needlessly complicated, like how in X-Men they have classes of powers for different characters. It's a statistics measuring contest by another name.
The whole virgin birth thing with conception by the midiclorians annoys me more.
I thought you like "Mysitcal Mumbo Jumbo"?
Doesn't that pretty much fall in line with that?
The Force was far more mystical in the original trilogy. Adding things like midichlorians was something I hated.. Who can we blame for that?
It depends on the mystical elements and how it is used in a story.
This element was not used well.
For the concepts in the Force, we still need to see what was going on with Baylon Skol and is orange lightsaber in Ahsoka. They were not Sith, and he had trained Shin to be something more than a Jedi. What that turns into might shift things a little. You also have Grogu and Sabine who will have Mandalorian training in their Force usage.
George Lucas.
Midi-chlorian/Legends
Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life-forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their host to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force. Midi-chlorian counts were linked to potential in the...
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George Lucas.
Midi-chlorian/Legends
Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life-forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their host to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force. Midi-chlorian counts were linked to potential in the...
So it's his fault. I don't like the concept sorry, I mean SW is his baby but that part of it I do not like, I would have preferred it left mysterious
Fair enough, but it was part of his "Original Concept" since the beginnings of Star Wars.
He just didn't have enough time to put it out into the world until "The Phantom Menace".
And I don't mind that aspect myself.
Just because you have the high Midichlorian count, doesn't mean you know how to use it w/o training a long ass time to harness it properly.
Which should be a seperate thing from the Good/Evil side.
The morality play should be a seperate thing from the "Super Power aspect & training".
Not 100% intertwined into it.
George Lucas has always said the Force believers / practitioners were not like superheroes--the latter often simply having power and no substance behind their lives and actions, or a larger part in the destiny of themselves and all others.The entire original point of Star Wars was rooted in a conflict between two religious factions who were the movers and shakers of an entire galaxy, whether the atheistic Empire (or occasional dullards such as Han Solo) acknowledged it or not. Star Wars is about spiritually-aligned / guided destiny, not random, secular conflicts. Without the Force, its will and practitioners, there's no point to the concept.
Then you do not have Star Wars and its clear, direct purpose in the story its telling. If Lucas wanted to shove Midichlorians into Star Wars, it would have been just as easy as the rest of Obi-Wan's dialogue to Luke (Kenobi's hut scene), but it did not exist at that time, nor was it Lucas' intention to explain the Force that way.
There's soulless productions like most of the post-TOS Star Trek for that (although the "logic" of those series is questionable at best)..
Agreed.
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And what are you going to do, now that the Jedi & Sith storylines have been played out and both factions are more or less gone?
Moving forward in time, what is your solution?
More of the same?
Guess we'll find out if/when the Rey movies happen.
Nope. Palpatine isn't even mentioned until episode 9.
Basically because the whole thing is a mess and it feels like "somehow Palpatine returned" was pulled out of Abrams butt at the last minute. Of course, it also does not help that it feels like Ryan Johnson went "hah, let me see how much I can undercut Abrams initial idea and torque this story in an unknown direction. I know, I'll kill Snoke!"
Hey, you want Palpatine to be the bad guy this wholr time? Fine. Tell the audience.
I liked Dark Empire. You are right, it's the same basic plot. Somehow Palpatine Returned. But that was clear if not from the first issue then definitely the second.
Even looking at it from the movie episodes, it's odd that Palpatine isn't revealed until episode 9. Palpatine is known to the audience as being the villain pulling the strings in Episodes I-III. He's not mentioned by name in IV but that was the pilot episode. We see him briefly in V but it's clear he's telling Vader what to do. In VI he's the main villain. So that's 5 out of 6 episodes he appears in and is mentioned in all 6.
Now, to skip even 1 mention of him in VII and VIII yet retroactively in I make him the main villain in those two previous episodes just feels like a misstep when looking at the entire series. Of course, that's because there was no plan when VII was made to somehow have Palpatine return.
That's what I mean. I sure you're mileage will vary.
There can and have been others who use the Force. Light side and Dark side are from how things are used. What goal is being served. The Dark Side, or at least the Sith tend to be seen as corruption in the Force, bringing it out of balance. The Jedi and Sith do not have monopoly on the Force, they are just the best known in the galaxy at large, and have had state sponsorship at various times since the Old Republic days.
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