Spoilers The Ships of Lower Decks
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Or that pointy warp housing Defiant could be a variant that Section 31 cooked up before assigning Transporter Clone Boimler his own Defiant to Captain.
I'm still not a fan of Section 31 using "StarFleet Designs".
I'd rather Section 31 use their "own Unique StarShip Designs" in the future.
They had sweet/good designs in DISCO.
Considering the somewhat shady nature of the Defiant herself (with the Romulan-approved cloaking device), I would quite easily postulate that this started life as a S31 design. I'm taking into account how "un-Starfleet" many people perceived it to be when it first appeared on-screen. Perhaps it was not, in fact, a Starfleet design. When the threat of the Borg became the #1 issue, and finding common cause in mutual survival, S31 decided to share that design with Starfleet shipbuilders, who had more resources with which to build a whole fleet of the things, if they chose to do so. What did Sloan always say? "The ends justify the means".
Most Starfleet designs are the stuff Section 31 "leaks out" to the general public.
At some point, StarFleet needs to tell Section 31 to "Knock it Off" with using our designs.Most Starfleet designs are the stuff Section 31 "leaks out" to the general public.
Use something original, something similar to their DISCO era designs, but updated.
They were "Super Sweet" Stealthy looking ships.
I REALLY loved those Section 31 ship designs that had "Stealth Fighter" design motifs.
You do know that Lt. CMDR. Benjamin Sisko was involved in the original development of the Defiant Class after the battle of Wolf 359.
Given the outcome of Wolf 359 and Earth barely squeeking by on Captain Riker & the Enterprise-D crew saving the day, I can see why the original "War Hawk" Admirals would be justified in creating a more ferocious WarShip and less peaceful Exploration Vessel.
Earth was nearly lost, and the Golden Era of StarFleet lead StarFleet to become TOO complacent on their Military / Defense roles.
Section 31 might really only have been there to give the nudge to sway the upper brass & the Federation Council that a more "Military First" doctrine needs to be taken if the UFP were to survive in the future.
Sometimes a little push in the right direction is all it takes. And I think you give The Sisko too much credit. I suspect he may simply have been tasked with generating functional requirements and mission profile use-cases from a tactical and strategic POV. He's a great leader, but he's definitely no engineer.
We saw what bizarre secret squirrel shit they have socked away at Daystrom Station. I could very easily see some other Sloan-type character (or maybe it was even Sloan himself or one of his operators) popping into one of the planning meetings, having caught wind of the project, saying, "Hey! Look what I found collecting dust in an old filing cabinet. I'll just leave that right there." Sisko takes one look at the schematics and says, "THIS IS IT!" A year or two later, the first Defiant was born. Done and done.
The intention was very much that he was an engineer (Homefront/Paradise Lost outright implies that he was the Chief Engineer on the Okinawa as he was "more interested in engineering and ship design than command" before Leyton promoted him to First Officer), but I would agree that that rarely came through "on screen", with the most notable exception being Explorers and perhaps The Visitor.
A Standard Small StarShip in the 24th & 25th century is more akin to a modern day luxury Yacht than to a Aircraft Carrier.
It's designed to carry alot of stuff, but not designed to be "MASSIVE" like a Aircraft Carrier is in the modern day.
He deserves more credit, a man who can punch Q in the face & live to tell about it.
Also, make Q regret messing with "The Sisko" in further episodes, is a man that is to be feared.
He makes Q so scared, that he doesn't come back to DS9 to mess with Benjamin Lafayette Sisko.
He's not bad at engineering basics, but he's not a real engineer like Miles O'Brien.
Could be, but I think the Defiant was always there since StarFleet Admiralty always have WarHawks inside them.
Now is the time for the WarHawks to shine, especially after Wolf 359.
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It makes sense that it would have conventional phaser hard points to supplement the existing weapons payload. I suspect the pulse phasers require a lot more energy to discharge. Sometimes a lighter touch is needed, depending on the circumstances. The old XCV they were shooting at would probably be torn to pieces like tissue paper if they unloaded their full weapons capacity on it.
If the CIA can have aircraft I think Sec31 can have starships
I have no issue with that, but since Section 31 in the 24th century has been kicked out of the StarFleet Chain of Command / Purview.
They should be a "Fully Independent" organization.
Hiding in "Plain Sight" within the UFP under private cover organizations.
If they were using up-dated old Section 31 ships, I could understand, but using existing StarFleet Design is likely to cause a unnecessary up-roar to anybody who might notice that vessel and confuse it for a StarFleet vessel.
You don't want people impersonating your equivalent of the Military.
So that means that Section 31 should stick to it's own "Unique Designs" IMO.
And Section 31's vessels were FAR cooler & Ahead of their time IMO than any design in the 23-rd century.
So I would want them to be more "Unique".
Keep that Stealth Fighter / Vessel look.
You just want more ships
You got me, as a "Star Trek Ship Nerd", that is one of my selfish desires.You just want more ships
The first ship with “modern“ warp drive. There problem solved.
What is ‘modern’ warp drive?
Newer than older warp drive. 
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