Last I checked, they were. Though I haven't watched the episode in some time because the Gorn can go the way of Q as far as I'm concerned.
Your opinion on SNWs Gorn
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As it happens, a group of proto-Hobbits having never seen an Elf is a fairly weighty plot-point in The Rings of Power.
Well, here's where they were early in season one. Interview with Memento Mori co-writer Davy Perez.
The whole issue can be easily solved if there is simply more than one kind of Gorn. A Chihuahua and a Great Dane are both the same species, yet they look incredibly different.
The Gorn that Kirk encountered is simply very different looking from the Gorn that Starfleet has encountered in the past. Kirk being told that it was a Gorn he was facing was shocking to him simply because it wasn't at all what he expected a Gorn to look like.
I'd bet real money that come the opening of season 3, they'll shed a lot more light on the inner working of the Gorn Hegemony.
The Gorn that Kirk encountered is simply very different looking from the Gorn that Starfleet has encountered in the past. Kirk being told that it was a Gorn he was facing was shocking to him simply because it wasn't at all what he expected a Gorn to look like.
I'd bet real money that come the opening of season 3, they'll shed a lot more light on the inner working of the Gorn Hegemony.
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This has nothing to do with what they look like. It has to do with the fact that the bridge crew found out that they were chasing a Gorn ship. Something that three of them were intimately (traumatically) familiar with. And Kirk should have been aware of Starfleet's (and the Enterprise's) history with them.
All of this was before Kirk ever laid eyes on the green rubber bugger. And no, I didn't expect Kirk to then say "THAT'S not what a Gorn looks like!"
If I recall correctly, no one really reacted at all to the mention of "Gorn." NO one seemed to be shocked or intrigued at the word.
Like they'd never heard it before.
That's one possible interpretation. I'm not saying it all works perfectly, just that there is a little wiggle room to make it all work with just a little imagination and creative thinking.
I'd rather they not be held back by something as minor as whether or not Uhura winced at the mention of the Gorn.
There is more to it than that. I think the intent of the original writer was that this was a first encounter. At least everything in the episode seems to point to that being the case.
I mean, they could have called the new ones the Xorn and treated them as a Gorn-oid species, then you respect the original episode, still make a connection (since they seem to be obsessed with that) and not have anything contradictory working against it.
Oh, that was definitely the intent of the writers. Clearly, they were implying this was a first-time encounter. I just like that SNW found a little sliver of wiggle room to make it mostly work, in my opinion, that it wasn't actually a first encounter. Granted, that's just my take on things.
But then they miss out on that sweet, sweet TOS nostalgia.
As big of a fan as I am of TOS, I’m simply tired of nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia.
I dunno. After being beaten over the head by TNG-DS9-VOY nostalgia, I kinda dig the callbacks to TOS. Probably why after TOS, Strange New Worlds and Enterprise are my favourite series. Gimme more TOS races and imagery!
Indeed. I never felt they never heard the word "Gorn" before. Only that Kirk didn't know what it looked like.
So, they decide to add on more to the lore rather than just create their own alien species never to be heard of again?
Well, I for one am shocked, shocked, I say at them daring to add on to the very thin lore we had of the Gorn. I hope they are shot out of a cannon towards Mars for this canon violation!
If they create something memorable and meaningful, then why would they never be heard of again?
Because Trek is stuck in its "Glory Days" stage.
The only meaning being attached is how it connects to the past. Nothing else matters, at least when I read comments constantly berating use of nostalgia yet not using it enough.
Yes. Because that’s clearly what the episode implied, if not outright meant. And official publications since then had gone with this assumption as well, for the last 50+ years. So I’m not sure why you’re acting like this has never occurred to you just because SNW decided to do their revisionist thing 50 years later.
Did everyone think Khan came from 1996? Yeah, because that information came right out of Khan’s mouth. Except in SNW Khan is a child in the 21st century. So what is being depicted in SNW is not a true representation of the ‘lore’ or whatever buzz word you want to use to describe what they’re doing.
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