Elios XII: The Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Unsinkable!
Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard
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I just figured there was a period in the early to mid 23rd century where they dicked around with rectangular nacelles. Then, for whatever reason, they went back to round."Kurtzman-Beyer" drive???
The lengths we fans will go to try to shoehorn explanatory rationale into the canon for completely irrational decisions made by the show runners...
It was a design fad.
Yeah I'm more laughing at the name. If anything, Fuller's name should have been thrown in there somewhere. He's the one that painted everyone into a corner with that square-nacelle foolishness in the first place...
Yeah, the square nacelles are definitely the biggest flaw of the Disco Ships. Especially since they look so good with round nacelles!
Yeah, cylindrical nacelles can literally make some of those ship designs into something appealing to look at.
Looks even better.Yeah, the square nacelles are definitely the biggest flaw of the Disco Ships. Especially since they look so good with round nacelles!
Yeah, the square nacelles are definitely the biggest flaw of the Disco Ships. Especially since they look so good with round nacelles!
The first one looks good. The other two ships' nacelles are too oversized in relation to the hulls. They need to be shrunk by about 25%.
Yeah, you're right. I dunno why I made them so big when I first made those images. Still... not bad for a 5 minute edit job on a phone.
Ah. I didn’t know that you made them. I thought you just found them on the internet somewhere
It was Eaves/Bayer, not Kurtzman/Bayer. At least in the actual Lore blogs on the STO website.
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Maybe something changed when they did the lore for the Eaglemoss booklets, I don't own any of them.
We who read the novels are no stranger to this. They loved to do it there too"Kurtzman-Beyer" drive???
The lengths we fans will go to try to shoehorn explanatory rationale into the canon for completely irrational decisions made by the show runners...
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The Ages of the Federation mod for Sins of a Solar Empire took the Crossfield, Shepard and Cardenas classes and redesigned them a bit to look more pre-TOS
Quite an improvement. Especially alongside a TOS Miranda and Connie.The Ages of the Federation mod for Sins of a Solar Empire took the Crossfield, Shepard and Cardenas classes and redesigned them a bit to look more pre-TOS
This reminds me of the Interstellar Mechanics article Thomas Marrone tweeted in August about the different generations of warp drive. I'm quite happy to imagine there's generations of warp drive this article didn't cover, especially if they only saw limited release or weren't considered successful. Eaves/Bayer would fit right in between the Archer and Marvick drives since there's a good century of development between them.
Similarly, I'm quite happy to believe that there's a generation between the Liner Intermix Shaft of TMP and the Brahms engine of TNG, given that we glimpse something that's visually somewhere between the two aboard the Hathaway in "Peak Performance".
So you're saying it needs to be... 25% DIFFERENT!!!
I thought it was only 20%.
Damn inflation...
Damn inflation...
Drexler and some of his colleagues have retconned that the impulse defection crystals on earlier designs were actually warp field governors, so I guess those are no longer really a mid-22nd century design cue.
The rationalization makes sense, the art department undoubtedly believed that any "spore drive" mechanism would be housed in the nacelles, so if there were any notes from higher up in the production that it might be something under consideration for fleet wide deployment, I can see designing all of the nacelles with that in mind.
It was probably an art direction* that was misconstrued as a legal requirement.
* = someone said to Eaves something along the lines of, "we want you to design it largely the same, with a few differences, but not too different. You know, about 25% different..."
Well it wasn't just someone told him verbally, someone also wrote it on one of his concept art pieces that's been posted online, I'm guessing the art director or whoever Eaves' boss would be.
I mean, hard to retcon something that wasn't canon in the first place
Impulse Deflection crystal came from.. Scott's guide I think?Warp Governor I don't believe it was ever labelled or mentioned in the show either?
It's just some behind the scenes tech stuff they created for the ship for the writers to use if they wanted to.
So really what I'm saying is completely pointless.
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Older, and closer to the source. It first appeared in the TMP blueprints by David Kimble (1980), based off the construction blueprints of the original filming miniature, and tied directly into the official merchandising campaign for TMP. It had Roddenberry's and Probert's approval and blessings. I don't think the callout has ever been seen on screen, so not fully canon. There is one possibility that it was mentioned during the pre-launch scene in TMP while they were in drydock. They were calling out parts of the ship that are specifically labeled in those blueprints. I just can't find any transcripts showing it right now to see if it was mentioned. That would be the only canonical observance that I could cite. It is not shown on Scotty's blueprints in TUC. That only said "Impulse Propulsion System".
It was always an "impulse deflection crystal" until ENT came along and retconned it into something else, probably because it was an interesting-looking greeble, but placed on the model in such a way that it couldn't have possibly had anything to do with the NX's impulse engines, so they called it something else.
In TWOK, right after the Enterprise destroys the Reliant’s crystal, there is this bit of dialog:
JOACHIM: They've damaged the photon-control and the warp drive. We must withdraw.
So based on that one bit of canon info, the crystal had nothing to do with the impulse engines, despite it being right above them.
JOACHIM: They've damaged the photon-control and the warp drive. We must withdraw.
So based on that one bit of canon info, the crystal had nothing to do with the impulse engines, despite it being right above them.
