Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread
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Sort of blasphemy to say but not all wrong. SW can be a hard rewatch, sometimes. Tends to drag in the middle.
It may be blasphemy to some but it's a near miracle it became as popular as it was considering how hokey the very first movie is if you look at it a certain way
And that is exactly why it is controversial. Like I said, I really love the movie. But together with Attack Of The Clones, it could end up as my least rewatched Star Wars movie. The ST hasn't been out long enough so we'll see in ten years.
Agreed. The editing is what saved it.oh hell no. especially when it comes to the editing.
The Original Star Wars is still my favorite film and the one I most rewatch. I honestly could give or take anything that follows.
Yeah, ANH being slow, more labored and having a more relaxed tone....yeah, I can totally get behind all of that. But poorly edited and sloppy? Hell, no. Just no.oh hell no. especially when it comes to the editing.
Quite true; Disney/LFL could not imagine a SW film without masturbatory fan service in the form of a direct Skywalker saga character (Leia included) and that utterly gratuitous Lightsaber halftime show.
Regarding Star Wars (1977), its one of the only true cinema classics (as opposed to strictly genre) in the SW series. The PT & ST can be disregarded as wrongheaded, overblown fluff.
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More it creates a rather self inflicted plot hole. Leia no longer has any plausible deniability about her ship and it's mission.vs Rebel involvement..
The lightsaber was very gratuitous as well but that's a lesser objection.
I don't see the problem with having the franchise's main focus in the movies. Yes, it has expanded to include other things, but at its core the focus is still very much on the Skywalker family. It's the same thing as Star Trek and the Enterprises.
Yes it rather does make Vaders capture of Leia's ship seem a bit odd and her denials about involvement when you look at both movies back to back
Pretty sure they lost any semblance of that once they started exchanging fire with an Imperial Navy ship. She's just playing for time because there's no reason to confirm or deny anything they may or may not already know. Plus the more time they focus on getting information out of her, the more time she's buying for Obi-Wan. Another factor could be exactly the concern the Commander raised with Vader; holding an Imperial Senator in custody could be politically dangerous for Vader, potentially moving a few more systems from "undecided" to "joining the Alliance".
Of course she likely didn't anticipate Palpatine dissolving the Senate so quickly, rendering it all moot; but that's neither here nor there.
Maybe they lost that but there was still a thin strand of plausible deniability if they had not actually been at the Battle of Scariff.
It is presumably "impossible" (extremely difficult) to chase someone through hypersapce, so Leia would rightly have assumed that the Star Destroyer at Scariff wouldn't be the one to chance her down. That it was Lord Vader that not only saw her ship run off with the plans, but also caught up with and take her ship captive is highly unlikely. Add to this that Vader had to get back to his ship before they would jump after Leia. Yet, it is Lord Vader who is questioning her and she's going to flat out lie to his mask.
I don't know about that. No matter where you were or were not seen; if a cop yells "pull over" and your response is weapons fire and fleeing for the hills, there's no plausible deniability to be had since what you just did is actionable in and of itself.
All you have in implausible deniability, which is exactly what Leia is doing because: never talk to cops.
To again use the cop analogy: there's this thing called "radio" that means the cop that saw you do a thing, need not be the one that spots you two streets over and starts giving chase. The fact that they're giving chase at all is all the proof one needs that one has indeed been rumbled and it's time to leg it.
Agreed; in Star Wars, Leia's dialogue has not been altered, so she's still denying Vader's accusations, but of course, that makes no sense when moments earlier (in-universe) she was at the scene of a Rebel conflict / mission to steal the Death Star plans. This glaring plot hole could have been avoided if Rogue One's producers did not feel the need to shove unnecessary nostalgia porn into the film for no justifiable reason.
Rogue One--the film discussed--was not a Skywalker family film. The point was to focus on a group serving the Rebellion during a period where no one knew of or expected aid from any member of that largely hidden, surviving family. That was supposedly about showing the Rebellion's struggles during "their most desperate hour", but the producers/writers had to go for unnecessary cameos, effectively robbing the R1 heroes of their dignity within their story because in the end, it all goes back to "HEYYY! Remember the main OT characters?!?!? They're back! See how it all fits?"
No, it is not.
Having Tantive IV nested inside the larger Rebel flagship definitely made for a plothole. It would have worked better if she had been skirting around the periphery of the battle at long range, and picked up the transmission along with the admiral's flagship. Then the Tantive IV bolts into hyperspace and Vader pursues. The Vader scenes could have been altered one of two way:
1) Retain the fanwank. Vader boards the flagship, goes all Sith berserker, and actually retrieves that set of plans. Then he is notified that another Rebel ship has just made the jump to hyperspace, and it's possible that it also has the plans.
2) Limited Vader cameo: Vader is issuing orders and directing the battle over the planet, and takes a report that Leia's ship has jumped out of the area. Vader uses the Force to discern where she is headed, and orders the pursuit.
Either one of those would have preserved Leia's original dialogue choices in ANH.
According to the current canon, Vader tracked her ship via a damaged hyperdrive.
The Tantive IV was docked with the Profundity because she was undergoing repairs, those repairs weren't completely finished in time for the battle or escape.
In Legends the ship was tracked via a signal sent out by a reprogrammed Protocol Droid, U-3PO, being used to spy on House Organa. It's the silver Protocol Droid you see at the very start of ANH
This Droid is still a spy in the current canon, creating two possible reasons for how Vader tracked the ship.
The Tantive IV was docked with the Profundity because she was undergoing repairs, those repairs weren't completely finished in time for the battle or escape.
In Legends the ship was tracked via a signal sent out by a reprogrammed Protocol Droid, U-3PO, being used to spy on House Organa. It's the silver Protocol Droid you see at the very start of ANH
This Droid is still a spy in the current canon, creating two possible reasons for how Vader tracked the ship.
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