Which series would you want next?

[FederationHistorian]

There’s this idea for something called Star Trek: Oath floating around. A writer named Ryan Thomas Riddle (I think he used to post here) tweeted how he’d love to write a show about Beverly Crusher as a frontier doctor without Starfleet. Gate McFadden then tweeted back to write it and send it in. And he wrote it.

I would not mind if this was made into a miniseries, while we wait for Legacy.

The pitch: https://www.officialstuntlist.com/stunt-list-s3/starttrekoath

 

[Dukhat]

I don't think Gates McFadden can carry a show as a lead.

 

[Commander Troi]

Interesting. Yes, Ryan used to post on TrekBBS.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I don't think Gates McFadden can carry a show as a lead.

Has anyone ever tried?

Besides, one of the issues with the proposal for Legacy is that it’s not polished. This show could help with that. Maybe even resurrect Captain Shaw.

And that it’s not set on an Enterprise would help it get greenlit faster while SNW is on the air.

 

[Dukhat]

Has anyone ever tried?

No, because they believe what I wrote. Probably now even more so.

Besides, one of the issues with the proposal for Legacy is that it’s not polished. This show could help with that. Maybe even resurrect Captain Shaw.

No thanks. I prefer him dead.

And that it’s not set on an Enterprise would help it get greenlit faster while SNW is on the air.

SNW will probably be on the air for 5 seasons. Which means that it won’t end until the end of 2026, which is when SFA will be premiering. So the chances of them making a new show any time between now and then is practically nil, unless it’s some super-inexpensive show like Tawny’s pet project. By the time 2027 rolls around, ‘Legacy’ will just be a memory.

 

[Daedalus]

SNW will probably be on the air for 5 seasons. Which means that it won’t end until the end of 2026, which is when SFA will be premiering. So the chances of them making a new show any time between now and then is practically nil, unless it’s some super-inexpensive show like Tawny’s pet project. By the time 2027 rolls around, ‘Legacy’ will just be a memory.

Section 31 was discussed as far back as 2018, and the film will air next year.

 

[HotRod]

Section 31 was discussed as far back as 2018, and the film will air next year.

Section 31 has Oscar winner Michelle Yeoh. What does Legacy have?

 

[fireproof78]

Section 31 was discussed as far back as 2018, and the film will air next year.

Indeed. These processes are not quick at all, and Paramount is slower than others. Never mind the following difficulties: a pandemic, a strike, failing numbers, and a merger.

Can't imagine why things take more time nowadays?

Section 31 has Oscar winner Michelle Yeoh. What does Legacy have?

The greatest Trek cast ever!*











*citation needed

 

[Dukhat]

Section 31 was discussed as far back as 2018, and the film will air next year.

Section 31 was an actual thing that they wanted to produce as a series, because they wanted to bank on Michelle Yeoh. Legacy was never a thing, with no star power to get people’s P+ subscription money.

 

[Daedalus]

Section 31 was an actual thing that they wanted to produce as a series, because they wanted to bank on Michelle Yeoh. Legacy was never a thing, with no star power to get people’s P+ subscription money.

The last time that Matalas was on the D-Con podcast, he mentioned there are still talks going on and that he and Kurtzman talk regularly. Also that he has written scenes for both Seven and Jack. There was no star-power attached to Starfleet Academy when it was in the planning stages, but it took 3 years to go into any official development. There will be a lot of static between now and a hypothetical announcement, but 2027 is still a bit too soon to totally forget about the idea.

There are no guarantees, but I'm sure many people wrote off both Starfleet Academy and Section 31 quite quickly once the air waves went quiet.

Indeed. These processes are not quick at all, and Paramount is slower than others. Never mind the following difficulties: a pandemic, a strike, failing numbers, and a merger.

Can't imagine why things take more time nowadays?

And we're definitely in that penny-pinching era of streaming Trek too. Sometimes those wheels don't seem to move at all, then suddenly...

 

[Dukhat]

The last time that Matalas was on the D-Con podcast, he mentioned there are still talks going on and that he and Kurtzman talk regularly. Also that he has written scenes for both Seven and Jack. There was no star-power attached to Starfleet Academy when it was in the planning stages, but it took 3 years to go into any official development. There will be a lot of static between now and a hypothetical announcement, but 2027 is still a bit too soon to totally forget about the idea.

There are no guarantees, but I'm sure many people wrote off both Starfleet Academy and Section 31 quite quickly once the air waves went quiet.

My issue with Legacy was that Matalas made it out to be an actual thing, got fans' hopes up while knowing that his idea was just a pipe dream that CBS/Paramount had no interest in doing, and is still trying to make it sound like a thing when it really isn't. How long was Takei talking about a Captain Sulu series? Did that Captain Worf show ever get off the ground?

Maybe Matalas will convince Kurtzman to ask CBS/Paramount (or whoever is in charge by 2027) to make a TV movie. I don't see a series any time soon.

 

[HotRod]

but it took 3 years to go into any official development.

They waited for Discovery to finish and probably free up the studio space.

Academy was officially ordered in March 2023, a month before Discovery filmed its final scenes. You can bet that soon after, pre-production started and shortly over a year they started filming.

 

[Daedalus]

My issue with Legacy was that Matalas made it out to be an actual thing, got fans' hopes up while knowing that his idea was just a pipe dream that CBS/Paamount had no interest in doing, and is still trying to make it sound like a thing when it really isn't. How long was Takei talking about a Captain Sulu series? Did that Captain Worf show ever get off the ground?

Maybe Matalas will convince Kurtzman to ask CBS/Paramount (or whoever is in charge by 2027) to make a TV movie. I don't see a series any time soon.

No, not for a while. I think that Kurtzman has shown enough enthusiasm for the idea that he believes there is more story to tell, based on what he's said.

"Fans Heard Loud And Clear" About Star Trek: Legacy, Says Executive Producer

The fans' outcry for Star Trek: Legacy haven't fallen on deaf ears.

screenrant.com

Also, the relative success of Picard S3 places its chances much higher than a Captain Sulu or Worf show. The latter was unfortunate enough to be imagined during the wilderness years where it stood no chance at all.

 

[Dukhat]

No, not for a while. I think that Kurtzman has shown enough enthusiasm for the idea that he believes there is more story to tell, based on what he's said.

"Fans Heard Loud And Clear" About Star Trek: Legacy, Says Executive Producer

The fans' outcry for Star Trek: Legacy haven't fallen on deaf ears.

screenrant.com

Also, the relative success of Picard S3 places its chances much higher than a Captain Sulu or Worf show. The latter was unfortunate enough to be imagined during the wilderness years where it stood no chance at all.

They're simply not going to make another show about a crew on a ship named Enterprise until SNW is finished. And most likely not even then, because there'd be little point in making a new show that is essentially the same as the old show, just with a different crew. That's pretty much what happened when VOY ended and ENT began, and look how well that turned out. Unless you can explain to me how Legacy would be any different from SNW besides having different characters on a different Enterprise, what would be the point? At this point there's very little difference between the mid-23rd century and the early 25th.

 

[Daedalus]

They're simply not going to make another show about a crew on a ship named Enterprise until SNW is finished. And most likely not even then, because there'd be little point in making a new show that is essentially the same as the old show, just with a different crew. That's essentially what happened when VOY ended and ENT began, and look how well that turned out. Unless you can explain to me how Legacy would be any different from SNW besides having different characters, what would be the point?

Probably in the tone, I would imagine. You likely wouldn't see an episodic run like SNW, but the mystery box format may play a part.

SFA will be a hybrid show, which possibly means partially episodic with a strong secondary arc (just a guess, im not sure what "hybrid" means). Without Discovery, there seems to be a substantial gap for a serialised starship show.

 

[Dukhat]

Probably in the tone, I would imagine. You likely wouldn't see an episodic run like SNW, but the mystery box format may play a part.

SNW isn't as episodic as they are trying to advertise it as.

 

[Daedalus]

SNW isn't as episodic as they are trying to advertise it as.

There's a dusting of serialisation to it, but I guess it's as close as we'll get. Even the musical episode played with the will-they- won't-they story between Spock and Chapel.

 

[fireproof78]

At this point there's very little difference between the mid-23rd century and the early 25th.

What was the difference before?

 

[Dukhat]

What was the difference before?

Watch TOS, and then watch PIC.

 

[fireproof78]

Watch TOS, and then watch PIC.

So...no explanation then.

The tech is less refined is about all I see. The phasers still phaser, warp still warps. Attitudes are different and that's more obvious to me.

The attitudes in TOS and SNW feel closer together. Things are rougher, more distant from Starfleet.

I would say TNG is the outlier to me.