S1 vs. S2 vs. S3 (comparing seasons)

[fireproof78]

What I loved about the prequels was that they were radically different from the original trilogy and brought something new to the table. Episode 7 was bad, because it's a remake disguised as a sequel. A lot of people say Episode 9 sucked. At that point, why watch Episode 8? If the trilogy sucks, why watch the spin-offs?

Judge for yourself.

That's why. I don't take any one's word for anything when it comes to media. My favorite films barely get recognition because my preferences vary wildly than most.

As for Episode 7, it's not a remake as much as people think. Yes, it has the structure of ANH, but that story structure is actually very common. Two, TFA exists in a world that ANH has to exist. It isn't just fanciful history that we know nothing about (The Old Republic, The Dark Times, etc), but we know the people here. We know what each of these items mean. Sam Witwer, voice of Darth Maul from The Clone Wars show, notes that the table is reset in TFA in a way that could not happen with the OT. He notes that the world building is not stated, but shown. No one is expecting the First Order, to be as powerful as they are.

Unlike the OT the ST unfolds in a way that is dependent on the last installment. TFA does not end triumphantly but moving on to the next quest. One could easily watch ANH and be satisfied with that (as it should be in my opinion), and one could watch ROTJ in relative isolation. The ST operates differently.

They are better films than they are given credit for. And I would say the same as the PT despite the castigation it received (as did Lucas to the point he quit). But, the only way to know is to watch it yourself.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Judge for yourself.

That's why. I don't take any one's word for anything when it comes to media. My favorite films barely get recognition because my preferences vary wildly than most.

As for Episode 7, it's not a remake as much as people think. Yes, it has the structure of ANH, but that story structure is actually very common. Two, TFA exists in a world that ANH has to exist. It isn't just fanciful history that we know nothing about (The Old Republic, The Dark Times, etc), but we know the people here. We know what each of these items mean. Sam Witwer, voice of Darth Maul from The Clone Wars show, notes that the table is reset in TFA in a way that could not happen with the OT. He notes that the world building is not stated, but shown. No one is expecting the First Order, to be as powerful as they are.

Unlike the OT the ST unfolds in a way that is dependent on the last installment. TFA does not end triumphantly but moving on to the next quest. One could easily watch ANH and be satisfied with that (as it should be in my opinion), and one could watch ROTJ in relative isolation. The ST operates differently.

They are better films than they are given credit for. And I would say the same as the PT despite the castigation it received (as did Lucas to the point he quit). But, the only way to know is to watch it yourself.

Here's an argument for TFA as a remake disguised as a sequel: click here. What do you make of this?

 

[Daedalus]

You should try watching The Critical Drinker

I tried for a while, but quickly tired of the grift. I'm sure he has a good taste in films, especially the TOS Movies he ended up watching with a friend.

What I loved about the prequels was that they were radically different from the original trilogy and brought something new to the table. Episode 7 was bad, because it's a remake disguised as a sequel. A lot of people say Episode 9 sucked. At that point, why watch Episode 8? If the trilogy sucks, why watch the spin-offs?

I got the same feeling from episode 7 that I got from Jurassic World. It's a remake with bells and whistles. I don't personally think it was bad, but I felt a bit conned after I left the theatre. Episode 8 has a lot going for it, but I do think it was 30 minutes too long. I definitely would've preferred the original plans for episode 9, as what we got was severely lacking.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I tried for a while, but quickly tired of the grift. I'm sure he has a good taste in films, especially the TOS Movies he ended up watching with a friend.

I got the same feeling from episode 7 that I got from Jurassic World. It's a remake with bells and whistles. I don't personally think it was bad, but I felt a bit conned after I left the theatre. Episode 8 has a lot going for it, but I do think it was 30 minutes too long. I definitely would've preferred the original plans for episode 9, as what we got was severely lacking.

What about "the grift" tired you?

Episodes 7, 8, 9: did you like all three? What about Rogue One and Solo?

How would you argue Jurassic World as a remake of JP? Looking back, I can kind of see it, but what's your take on this?

 

[HotRod]

You should try watching The Critical Drinker

Thank you from proving my point so perfectly.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Thank you from proving my point so perfectly.

Do you have anything to contribute beyond an over-used meme?

 

[HotRod]

Do you have anything to contribute beyond an over-used meme?

It's overused, but it works so perfectly for laughing at someone trying to sell Critical Drinker as a level headed, intelligent critic of media. I mean seriously!?

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

Guys, we have an entire forum for Star Wars.

 

[Daedalus]

What about "the grift" tired you?

I don't mind people expressing opinions, but I just prefer to not be talked down to. I know where certain YouTuber's political bias lies, but in a perfect world I'd prefer not to have to hear about it constantly.

Episodes 7, 8, 9: did you like all three? What about Rogue One and Solo?

How would you argue Jurassic World as a remake of JP? Looking back, I can kind of see it, but what's your take on this?

I appreciate what Johnson was doing with 8, enjoyed parts of 7, and cringed at 9. I guess I liked parts of some of them.

With JW, it was park full of dinosaurs, something goes wrong and kids get lost. I don't mind similar story beats in films, but it was too on the nose.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

I don't mind people expressing opinions, but I just prefer to not be talked down to. I know where certain YouTuber's political bias lies, but in a perfect world I'd prefer not to have to hear about it constantly.

I appreciate what Johnson was doing with 8, enjoyed parts of 7, and cringed at 9. I guess I liked parts of some of them.

With JW, it was park full of dinosaurs, something goes wrong and kids get lost. I don't mind similar story beats in films, but it was too on the nose.

I guess I never felt "talked down to." I'd rather people be honest on how they feel than be plastic, fake, polite. Most movies TV are politically influenced, and I think Critical Drinker is just tied of it.

Regarding JW, fair enough. It does share a similar basic plot structure.

 

[fireproof78]

Here's an argument for TFA as a remake disguised as a sequel: click here. What do you make of this?

Surface level.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Surface level.

If you say so

 

[fireproof78]

If you say so

You asked my thoughts. I provided my thoughts.

To me, it's looking at the surface and comparing one to one. It ignores any other details provided, or even the uniqueness of the characters.

 

[BillJ]

Here's an argument for TFA as a remake disguised as a sequel: click here. What do you make of this?

A remake disguised as a sequel? Much like Spacedock, I'm not seeing the issue here. It had been 15 years, they were reintroducing Star Wars to the world.

I found The Force Awakens, and much of the sequel trilogy, entertaining.

 

[Campe]

On some level, I enjoy all of Star Wars, even the sequels. I am entertained otherwise I wouldn't watch. I'm not going to get into the argument of why I enjoy the sequels, because I feel as though those (particularly TLJ) have been litigated TO. DEATH.

One can enjoy something that is not popular and its okay.
One can dislike something that is popular and that too is okay.
We are not a monolith.

What is frustrating to me is being told I'm wrong for my opinion whenever it doesn't match with "popular opinion."

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

A remake disguised as a sequel? Much like Spacedock, I'm not seeing the issue here. It had been 15 years, they were reintroducing Star Wars to the world.

I found The Force Awakens, and much of the sequel trilogy, entertaining.

I am not saying it's a bad movie. It's a remake of a good movie. The problem is that the film lacks creativity. If they just made a straight remake, I'd be more receptive. Disguising it as a sequel is just lame and killed any interest I had in anything else from Disney Wars. I hope this explains without me sounding like, "Get off my lawn!"

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

What is frustrating to me is being told I'm wrong for my opinion whenever it doesn't match with "popular opinion."

I mostly go against the grain of popular opinion, so thanks for this.

 

[Campe]

I mostly go against the grain of popular opinion, so thanks for this.

Except you're not here. You are posting stating that we should listen to The Critical Drinker, who is an extremely popular YouTuber, particularly amongst those Star Wars fans who aren't for Disney Star Wars and what they've done. You are a minority in this conversation here, sure. But you are part of a loud voice overall in this conversation. No offense, but I think the majority of us are tired of discussing whether or not these movies are good or not. They're movies. They're art. You like it. You don't. At the end of the day, the work elicits a response. That's its job. There will be, and honestly shouldn't be a consensus of all fans and their likes and dislikes. That's my point at the end of the day.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Except you're not here. You are posting stating that we should listen to The Critical Drinker, who is an extremely popular YouTuber, particularly amongst those Star Wars fans who aren't for Disney Star Wars and what they've done. You are a minority in this conversation here, sure. But you are part of a loud voice overall in this conversation. No offense, but I think the majority of us are tired of discussing whether or not these movies are good or not. They're movies. They're art. You like it. You don't. At the end of the day, the work elicits a response. That's its job. There will be, and honestly shouldn't be a consensus of all fans and their likes and dislikes. That's my point at the end of the day.

I don't care if Critical Drinker is popular, it's not why I listen to him. I like what he says. I'm not a Star Wars fan and never have been. I like the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy and refuse to watch the re-edits. They changed too much. I like the prequels but haven't seen them in some 15 years. I saw The Force Awakens once at the theater and haven't seen Star Wars anything since then.

I am critical of all movies I watch whether I like them or not.

 

[BillJ]

I'm not a Star Wars fan and never have been.

Then why are you making a big fucking deal out of it?