How long after Ultron's introduction was that added? After the Hank has problems stuff?
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OK, that actually is a fair point. I didn't occur to me that they could make him that unrecognizable.
I'm honestly not sure, I was just looking through his filmography on Wikipedia, and counting how many times I saw "Tony Stark" listed.
Not sure, a lot of Hanks' derailment began after "The Big Hit".
The sad thing is, the real reason no one tried to ever retcom that or move past that isn't because of what it did to Hank's character...it's because it ended up being an important element of JAN's character development. All the growth and development she went through where she stopped being flighty and eventually became Avengers Leader material all goes back to that. Because of how important it was to HER positive growth, no one dared undo it.
You're probably right on that--wasn't Hank not in control of himself at the time he hit her?
I just checked and there are a couple of non-movie parts he had (a videogame and some kind of NBA ad) that are listed.
Deleted my previous reply because I made a mistake based on a stupid misunderstanding. 
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
The Avengers
Iron Man Three
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
And at least three other appearances made via re-used footage.
Iron Man
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
The Avengers
Iron Man Three
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
And at least three other appearances made via re-used footage.
He was in an erratic mental state, but he wasn't being mind-controlled or anything.
I think I remember reading somewhere that Hank hitting Janet actually happened because of a misunderstanding on the artist's part. I think it was originally written as him gently pushing her back, but the artist got over dramatic with it and turned it into a big slap.
That was Avengers scribe and then editor-in-chief Jim Shooter himself.
Hank Pym was Not a Wife-Beater – JimShooter.com
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Keith R.A. DeCandido has argued that Shooter's account of the slap being an art mistake doesn't hold up to scrutiny:
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"I ruined the moment, didn't I?" — Ant-Man - Reactor
When Avengers was released in 2012, it contained most of the original founding Avengers from 1963: Thor, the Hulk, and Iron Man. Missing, however, were Ant-Man and the Wasp, who were part of that original team, but had been conspicuously absent from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This gap was...
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That's all well and good, but I have read an interview with artist Bob Hall, which I can't seem to find now, in which he essentially confirms Shooter's version of events, citing his relative inexperience in the industry at the time. I recall him saying that he later took art lessons to refine his craft.Keith R.A. DeCandido has argued that Shooter's account of the slap being an art mistake doesn't hold up to scrutiny:
"I ruined the moment, didn't I?" — Ant-Man - Reactor
When Avengers was released in 2012, it contained most of the original founding Avengers from 1963: Thor, the Hulk, and Iron Man. Missing, however, were Ant-Man and the Wasp, who were part of that original team, but had been conspicuously absent from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This gap was...
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For crying out loud, if it was an art mistake, it would have been the editor's job to see it fixed. This is not some background error, but a big moment, the center of focus of the art. Either the art matched the discussed intentions, or the editor thought it was close enough.
Shooter's claim is that there was "no time to have it redrawn," though I'm not sure how plausible that sounds. I mean, after it was penciled, it would still need to be inked, lettered, and colored, so if there was time for that, you'd think there would be time to redo one panel.
Unless it was that the inker, editor, etc. assumed it was okay, but Shooter was too busy to see the panel and realize it was done wrong until it was already done and ready for press. I guess that's plausible. But Keith's argument is that Hank's behavior is conveyed by more than just one panel.
Even if the deadline would have been missed, there are ways to deal with it. The issue can be cut short, with either pin-up art, editorials or reprint material used to fill the missing pages. Hell, the whole story could be delayed with a reprint of a previous story filling in. That was a common practice in the industry back then, because delays were always a possibility on any book. Hell, it was so common that under one EIC (can't quite remember which, but it might have even been Shooter himself) Marvel would produce entire book-length stories to have ready to fill in.
And that is all without the context of the story in question.
And that is all without the context of the story in question.
That's after the fact spin control, when they realized they'd gone too far but was too late to change things so they had to say "Uh...it was an art error...yeah!"
Fact of the matter is that Hank had a history of questionable choices and bad writing in the build up to this point, mainly because no one ever knew what to do with him and had any clue how to really execute the "Reluctant Superhero" thing. So this actually felt almost organic and natural, just not in a positive way.
This is why the animated version of him from EMH is the best version of him, it took the original idea of "Peaceful scientist who never wanted to be a superhero" thing and executed it RIGHT by making him a pacifist who was disgusted by conflict and worked super well as a counter to Stark and even Steve sometimes.
Problem is that by the time the comics finally got writers who could do it right, it was too late for the comic version.
OK, that extra context does change the story a bit there.Keith R.A. DeCandido has argued that Shooter's account of the slap being an art mistake doesn't hold up to scrutiny:
"I ruined the moment, didn't I?" — Ant-Man - Reactor
When Avengers was released in 2012, it contained most of the original founding Avengers from 1963: Thor, the Hulk, and Iron Man. Missing, however, were Ant-Man and the Wasp, who were part of that original team, but had been conspicuously absent from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This gap was...
Some of Pym's "breaks" were written in a different time with a different meaning and sensibility. I'm talking about the stuff from the Sixties, mostly. Memory loss and a second personality in a hero were not meant to indicate that a character was mentally ill. They were usually temporary things brought on by extra-ordinary circumstances. Alien rays, weird chemicals or a bump on the head. Afterwards the hero was a-okay. And Pym was, until "The Slap". Then all of that was ret-conned into Pym being always unstable and violent. Which was a drag for Pym fans like myself. Every attempt to correct course was followed by a writer who brought things back to "The Slap". Secret Invasion could have fixed it with the Pym from "The Slap" being a Skrull infiltrator, but didn't.
On the plus side MCU Pym is a guy who loves his wife and never hit her. He can be a bit cranky, though,
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Again, the reason for the continued use of "The Slap" was because of how it ended up being important to Jan's character development. The Editorial was too scared to do anything to damage her integrity as "Battered wife who grows and becomes strong from it" that they wouldn't even do the "It was a Skrull who did it" escape.
With the MCU, as they skipped over Jan entirely and moved to Hope that wasn't necessary to ever use it because Jan wasn't as important.
Heard and understood the first time.
Marvel.com has posted a preview of The Art of Marvel Studio's What If?
From the cover and pictures it looks like it's only covering Season 1, but I'm not positive. Looks to me like it could be worth checking out. I read the Art of book for the first Guardians of the Galaxy recently, which I enjoyed, and I think this is from the same people.
From the cover and pictures it looks like it's only covering Season 1, but I'm not positive. Looks to me like it could be worth checking out. I read the Art of book for the first Guardians of the Galaxy recently, which I enjoyed, and I think this is from the same people.