I should act like I enjoy the performance?
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Depends. Can you appreciate the skill it takes to bring you to dislike a fictional character? That’s an actor doing his job, right?
I can appreciate the skill.
But, that doesn't make the character more enjoyable. That's me looking at Robinson not Garak to get enjoyment. Doable? Sure but completely immersion breaking.
If you hate Garak for being Garak, then Robinson did his job.
It's more than that but point taken.
Section 31 was supposed to be an illegal criminal conspiracy, though at this point it seems only the DS9 writers and the novel authors thought of it that way. Torchwood meanwhile is a legitimate agency drafted by the British Crown. Though, I guess by the third season they became renegades themselves.
IIRC, the way that's been explained is they simply use the thirty-first section of the Charter as a means of rationalizing and justifying their actions and existence. Doesn't make them any more legitimate than a bunch of gun nuts in the US forming a club and calling that club Second Amendment.
I do think some in the very top levels of Starfleet must have known about Section 31. Maybe even approved of it. Help fund some of it but also clearly wanted to be kept in the dark on purpose. They don't want to know what Section 31 is doing most of the time. I am guessing so their existence wouldn't taint the Federation's credibility.
Should this special movie event not have its own section on the forum now ?
Not usually until 4 to 6 weeks prior to release date.
For a single movie? I would hope not. It should fit nicely in the Discovery forum.
Besides, if a new forum were to happen, it might not be for another few years if we do get more streaming movies, there'd be a forum dedicated to them. Until then, yeah, just stick in the Disco forum.
Exactly how I felt about Winn...at first I just hated the character; eventually I came to appreciate that it meant Louise Fletcher was doing a good job.
Here is an article from TrekMovie.
trekmovie.com
The ‘Star Trek: Section 31’ Movie Sees A “Misfit” Crew Balancing Special Ops Mission And Starfleet Morality
The cast and director are talking about the upcoming streaming movie.
trekmovie.com
Yes, I can't imagine nobody in Starfleet knew about Section 31.
Here's an interview Cinema blend did with the Section 31 cast at Comic Con:Here is an article from TrekMovie.
The ‘Star Trek: Section 31’ Movie Sees A “Misfit” Crew Balancing Special Ops Mission And Starfleet Morality
The cast and director are talking about the upcoming streaming movie.
IMHO most of the issues with MU Georgiou come down to a question of scale, rather than evilness. Essentially the same flaw that a lot of Season 1 of DIS had - they wanted to tell this big, epic story, but had a tiny cast and low budget, so everything revolved around the same dozen or so people.
To give an example of what I mean, imagine in MU Georgiou had a background which was more akin to say MU Sisko. She's a lower-level power in the Terran Empire. Still flawed, still a pretty reprehensible human being, but not the biggest fish in the pond. Everything storywise they wanted could still have been there, including MU Burham being her adoptive daughter, and the rivalry with Lorca. But you wouldn't have a character who is literally responsible for genocide being repositioned as an antihero. You also don't have to explain why someone who formerly was the absolute ruler of trillions (for her entire adult life?) just transitions into a snarky murderhobo with no stooges to call her own without a smidgen of regret. I mean, have we even seen her lament her lack of power ONCE?
Look, I get it. Starting with DS9, Trek took the MU completely unseriously, treating it as some weirdo comic-book universe where somehow, the clones of the characters we know and love aren't just evil, but are also often huge powers in their own right. But DS9 never tried to pluck one of them out of their once a year excursions and making them a series regular.
To give an example of what I mean, imagine in MU Georgiou had a background which was more akin to say MU Sisko. She's a lower-level power in the Terran Empire. Still flawed, still a pretty reprehensible human being, but not the biggest fish in the pond. Everything storywise they wanted could still have been there, including MU Burham being her adoptive daughter, and the rivalry with Lorca. But you wouldn't have a character who is literally responsible for genocide being repositioned as an antihero. You also don't have to explain why someone who formerly was the absolute ruler of trillions (for her entire adult life?) just transitions into a snarky murderhobo with no stooges to call her own without a smidgen of regret. I mean, have we even seen her lament her lack of power ONCE?
Look, I get it. Starting with DS9, Trek took the MU completely unseriously, treating it as some weirdo comic-book universe where somehow, the clones of the characters we know and love aren't just evil, but are also often huge powers in their own right. But DS9 never tried to pluck one of them out of their once a year excursions and making them a series regular.
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Discovery was about $10 million dollars an episode, it wasn't low budget.
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