Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[Rahul]

The character is bad but that seems a little extreme. Their is lots and lots of bad characters out their in fiction. Not all of them are at least played by a Oscar winner.

I mean, "exxxtreme" pretty much describes in one word why this character is so bad.

Had they toned down literally ANYTHING - simply made her a normal badguy, dictator, evil queen, whatever, but NOT a leather-clad, edgy dominatrix getting wet by committing actual fucking genocide and cannibalism and revelling in it - none of the criticism would be that harsh.

Like really - why not simply just edgy, but instead so, so, be so extreeeeme?

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, "exxxtreme" pretty much describes in one word why this character is so bad.

Had they toned down literally ANYTHING - simply made her a normal badguy, dictator, evil queen, whatever, but NOT a leather-clad, edgy dominatrix getting wet by committing actual fucking genocide and cannibalism and revelling in it - none of the criticism would be that harsh.

Like really - why not simply just edgy, but instead so, so, be so extreeeeme?

Because Humans are very extreme.

 

[BillJ]

Had they toned down literally ANYTHING - simply made her a normal badguy, dictator, evil queen, whatever, but NOT a leather-clad, edgy dominatrix getting wet by committing actual fucking genocide and cannibalism and revelling in it - none of the criticism would be that harsh.

She got better...

Like really - why not simply just edgy, but instead so, so, be so extreeeeme?

Because no one knows how to write subtle, anymore. Everything has to be edgy and one-up what came before it. Star Wars eventually trickled down to TV.

 

[fireproof78]

If it was Garak no one would protest his past crimes, I feel.

 

[BillJ]

If it was Garak no one would protest his past crimes, I feel.

Is genocide on his docket?

 

[HotRod]

Is genocide on his docket?

Didn't he play a somewhat willing part in the Romulan/Cardassian plot to destroy the Founders home world?

 

[fireproof78]

Is genocide on his docket?

Planned genocide, so yes.

 

[fireproof78]

Didn't he play a somewhat willing part in the Romulan/Cardassian plot to destroy the Founders home world?

He also was caught by Worf trying to access the Defiant's weapon systems to destroy the Founders again. He's not a nice guy, no matter what his charm may try to spin.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Genociding the Founders is Section 31's favourite hobby.

 

[BillJ]

Didn't he play a somewhat willing part in the Romulan/Cardassian plot to destroy the Founders home world?

Yup. And, if someone said he should be doing some time in New Zealand for the crimes he committed, I wouldn't be against the notion.

 

[Jayson1]

Is genocide on his docket?

While his past is something of a mystery I do get the feeling he must have played a role in the Bajorian Ocupation, The Cardissians were basically Nazi's so they guy has no doubt got blood on his hands but even did his part on that situation.

 

[BillJ]

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[Frontis]

Just wanna add to the discussion...Garak was neither a starflleet officer nor a memeber of Section 31.
Georgiou was or will be...
This makes a difference.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I’ve always thought of Section 31 as like Torchwood “outside the government, beyond the police Starfleet.”

 

[fireproof78]

Just wanna add to the discussion...Garak was neither a starflleet officer nor a memeber of Section 31.
Georgiou was or will be...
This makes a difference.

It really doesn't.

People due bad things, all the time in Star Trek. They break laws, they commit crimes, they kill people.

Garak being held up as an interesting character always struck me as very strange.

 

[Borgminister]

Garak being held up as an interesting character always struck me as very strange.

A lot of credit for that goes to Andrew Robinson...

 

[fireproof78]

A lot of credit for that goes to Andrew Robinson...

I'll take your word for it.

 

[Borgminister]

I'll take your word for it.

YMMV... I enjoyed his portrayal of the character..

 

[fireproof78]

YMMV... I enjoyed his portrayal of the character..

I found him distrustful, scheming, and arrogant.

There was not much to enjoy for me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I found him distrustful, scheming, and arrogant.

There was not much to enjoy for me.

Acting!