Of course in Secret Wars 2 - when the beyonder comes to Earth he needs a human form and copies Steve Rogers (and then just later makes his hair dark).
If they put him in the film, wonder who could play him…
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Of course in Secret Wars 2 - when the beyonder comes to Earth he needs a human form and copies Steve Rogers (and then just later makes his hair dark).
If they put him in the film, wonder who could play him…
I can see how MoM could theoretically be considered better with WandaVision, even though there's actually a little bit of a disconnect between them.
But I genuinely don't see how anything in The Marvels requires watching anything on D+. The only things I can even think of that could be interpreted that way are Kamala's existence and there being a rift between Monica and Carol. But the movie does a good job of just introducing Kamala as a new character and the rift doesn't feel like it needs any explanation at all given the fact that Monica was a little girl in CM and Carol basically hasn't seen her since then.
But I genuinely don't see how anything in The Marvels requires watching anything on D+. The only things I can even think of that could be interpreted that way are Kamala's existence and there being a rift between Monica and Carol. But the movie does a good job of just introducing Kamala as a new character and the rift doesn't feel like it needs any explanation at all given the fact that Monica was a little girl in CM and Carol basically hasn't seen her since then.
The disconnect is how exactly she gets from letting go of the kids and vowing to learn to better control herself to being completely overtaken by the darkhold to the point of going on a murder campaign in order to kidnap another version of her's kids.
Don't get me wrong, I can fill in the blanks fine and the whole evil magic book aspect works well enough for me. MoM is one of my all-time favorite superhero movies, and WandaVision is my all-time favorite superhero show. But I know a lot of people who were really bothered by that disconnect and I can see how the movie could've worked even better if they hadn't skipped over that part, making Wanda's villainy feel a bit like a sudden swerve from where we last left her.
I don't necessarily mean required in any strong way, either. I mean, in the sense you guys were talking about that watching the D+ stuff makes the movie better. I really don't see it. The establishing of Kamala and Monica in the movie is more than enough for the purposes of the movie. Far more than enough, imo. The only way I can see the earlier stuff making any difference is in the simple fact that you already got to know and like the characters, but that's not really the same conversation as that would make it no different than any other superhero movie featuring an already established character.
But the last time we see Wanda in WandaVision is her reading the Darkhold, floating all evil looking, while an illusion of her pretends to live a quiet life nearby. Isn't that exactly where we pick up with her in MoM?
Not really. The post credits scene is ominous, but it doesn't clearly communicate that she's definitively under the Darkhold's influence, let alone ready to murder people who get in the way. And it doesn't show what she's trying to do (kidnapping) or how she got to the point of thinking that's ok. It's not even clear if she's had any evidence that her kids actually exist anywhere until that moment, let alone formed any kind of plan (good or bad) on how to get them.
Then by the time we meet her in MoM she's actively hunting an innocent teenager and has already killed people to get to her.
... by jumping dramatically far ahead to the point that her sudden villainy gave a lot of people narrative whiplash.
She was basically the villain of her own show. Viewers of that had no problems seeing "Villain to maybe learned a lesson? Nope still villain" in her arc.
Plenty of people did.
I disagree. WandaVision ended with Wanda realizing her mistake and repenting, while Multiverse of Madness reset her to villain and thus rendered her arc in WandaVision irrelevant, even though it was the superior production. I didn't have a problem with comprehension, if that's what you're saying, but I felt it was a very bad storytelling choice.
I can't speak for a lot of people. Only myself. My reaction was, "Ahhh, so that's what she was doing at the end of WandaVision..."
Yeah. I know you're not the only one. But I also know a lot of people had a different experience and having talked to them about it, I can see why.
Reb BrownOf course in Secret Wars 2 - when the beyonder comes to Earth he needs a human form and copies Steve Rogers (and then just later makes his hair dark).
If they put him in the film, wonder who could play him…
This article points out something that I hadn't really thought about, the fact that it cost Marvel so much to bring Robert Downey Jr. back for Doomsday and Secret Wars, means that those two will probably be the only time we see him. Which is kind of disappointing since Dr. Doom is such a huge character for Marvel and he really deserves to be in more that just those two movies. If nothing else we should get at least one Fantastic Four movie with him, so we can get a tight focus on their conflict with him, since that's such a huge part of the comics. I think someone earlier in the thread had mentioned that maybe they could bring in a Doom variant played by someone else, and now I'm kind of starting to hope that they do, so we can get more Doom beyond the Avengers movies.
If he’s the big bad he might be gone like Utron and Thanos were.